
“K-pop doesn’t have a chance in America because America is racist.”
Take a peek around the K-pop blogosphere and it’s a commonly made argument. International netizens express this viewpoint everywhere from allkpop to Omona They Didn’t without justification or evidence, just as a matter of fact.
Personally though? I don’t buy it.
Despite the flood of Asian-American “celebs” on Youtube, racial imbalance and prejudice in American entertainment still make themselves known.
For many Americans, the idea of an Asian Beyonce is nearly unthinkable. Despite the progress made by Asian-Americans who have found success in the entertainment industry, the American perception of Asians on the pop scene is still very skewed, and by relation, the negative stereotypes of Asians within American society continue to persist.
This particularly pertains to America, home to a culture that has somehow grown to ostracize and reject anything deemed as “foreign.” It’s an unlikely response, considering America’s reputation as being the world’s “melting pot,” but just take a look at the infamous “Kids React to K-pop” video and you’ve got a pretty good explanation. It seems to me that many Americans instinctually regard Asian pop acts as a cheap “knock-off” of a non-Asian, popular American pop act. How many times has 2NE1 been regarded as the Asian Lady Gaga? Taeyang as the Asian Chris Brown? SHINee as a troupe of Asian Justin Biebers? Why must Asian pop artists almost always be contextualized by a non-Asian look-a-like, and why are they almost always seen as being somewhat inferior to the so-called “original”? There is a good reason why K-pop won’t make it in America, and it lies in the fact that the American view of anything “foreign” is still one laced with negativity and judgment.
I’m not going to sit here and deny that Asians/Asian Americans face significant barriers in the entertainment industry in the United States. Nor am I going to argue that America as a whole is less likely to respect Asians/Asian Americans in an artistic field than any other racial group.
What I am going to argue though is that K-pop’s failure or success in America will have less to do with race and more to do with talent.
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Am I the only one who sees how ironic it is for Asian Americans to complain about Americans who say that K-pop is an imitation of American pop? Remember, when it comes to Hollywood remaking Asian movies, Asian Americans are first ones who are up in arms.
And you know what? Both are right.
Besides a select few instances (“Infernal Affairs“/”The Departed“), American remakes of Asian movies are largely failures because they are derivative pieces of work that lack the vision, talent, and impact of the original. Yet, the remakes have continued because they are economic boons.
Well, as much as K-pop fans want to deny it, the same can be said for their genre of choice as well. Why do people compare K-pop to American pop and say it’s a derivative product? Because for the most part it is.

Don’t take my word for it though, take the word of the Korean media, Korean companies, and Korean artists themselves.
Nobody is forcing Korean artists to worship American pop artists at every turn, nobody is forcing Korean companies to work with American content creators every chance they get, and nobody is forcing the Korean media to hype up every connection to American pop it can scrape up.
Like it or not, the inherent implication that comes along with media, companies, and artists flipping out over getting to work with Beyonce‘s choreographer or Lady Gaga‘s stylist or Michael Jackson pubic hair braider is that the K-pop artists themselves will be making a better product because they are now associated with these people. The amount of stories that try to make any connection between K-pop artists and their American counterparts borders on pathetic, and quite frankly, it screams Napoleon Complex to anybody willing to wade through the bullshit.
If K-pop wasn’t a derivative product, why would any of this be noteworthy at all?
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To go back to the film industry comparison, you just don’t see any of this bullshit happening. Kurosawa Akira isn’t called the Japanese Martin Scorsese, Martin Scorsese writes tributes to him. It’s not relevant when Park Chan Wook has Western ties on his staff, it’s the staff that are glad to be working with him.
They are who they are because their work speaks for itself. Why bother hyping something that’s legitimately original and legitimately amazing? There is no inherent insecurity that comes along with the Asian film industry, they respect their Western counterparts and their Western counterparts reciprocate. While Asian directors appreciate critical success in the West, it doesn’t run their lives or careers, nor does it affect their product. They believe they are on equal footing and they fucking act like it.
Their swag isn’t just a bunch of rhetoric, it shows through their actions, and as a result, the West ends up imitating them.

Flash back to K-pop and it’s the epitome of insecurity. On one hand, there’s this rampant arrogance and hype around it that treats Americans as ignorant for not loving K-pop. On the other hand, the fans are busy kowtowing when an artist is seen in the background of a paparazzi video starring Ashley fucking Tisdale.
Think about that. Seriously.
America is degrading K-pop? Nah, K-pop is doing a fine job of that to itself. To accuse Americans, fucking kids at that, of being racist because they see a knockoff product and call a spade a spade is the height of arrogance, especially when the majority of the K-pop world revolves around conceding to American pop by default around every corner.
America’s opinions of K-pop aren’t so much an indictment of America’s racist attitudes as it is about Asia’s inferiority complex towards the West.
Why is K-pop seen as derivative? Because K-pop admits it themselves.
Even if they don’t realize it yet.
Asian Junkie Asian pop. Without discretion.
Agree 100% on this one plus more.
As for USA being racist, i don’t buy it either, yes some people are still racist, but not everyone, and those kids react to are young, immature and have yet to grow, so people can’t judge off of them. I mean you have Sofia Vergara, J-lo, Shakira, who are latinas, Beyonce and Nicki who are black, I’m sure if asians stop using Hollywood people to compare to, or feed popularity off of, they can get their own names. I mean Lucy Lu & Ziyi Zhang, Ken Jeong, Jon Cho, Jackie Chan, Lisa Ling, Harry Shum Jr made good names for themselves because they’re good at what they do, why not other asians
It’s starting to change, but it’s undeniable to me that Americans don’t see Asians in certain roles.
Looking at shit like the manager in “2 Broke Girls” makes me think it’s still 1950.
America is racist. By the numbers. Asians are 5% of the population and 2% of the corporate executives. Asian kids face quotas at Ivy League schools and need 20% better boards and grades than Jews, whites, Latinos, blacks and they still face an admissions cap with those requirements. This discrimination is actually acknowledged by the admissions committees themselves.
If you’re too young or too clueless to even acknowledge institutional racism, then obviously you’re not going to agree about softer racism where opportunities in entertainment just aren’t given.
as for the original article, it’s just clueless to begin with the article that talent wins out in music. that’s a laughable held belief? who actually thinks that besides 14 year olds? do you even know any artists?
American pop is derivative of AMERICAN POP. Rap is derivative of rap. if your argument was even slightly valid then the same shit wouldn’t be on the radio year after year. how many years of autotune have we had so far?
you don’t really understand KPOP either. it’s not derivative of American pop. that might have been true 10 years ago but the hallmark of KPOP is its quick amalgamation of music trends. look at SNSD: music from Sweden and choreo from Japan. if anything one of the major issues with Kpop in the US is the fact that its conventions now sound so strange or foreign to American listeners.
I want to thank you for giving me a good laugh by invoking the serious issue of institutionalized racism and trying to use that as your justification for why K-pop isn’t popular in America.
Keep telling yourself that, it’ll get you through life, I’m sure.
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Racism exists, everybody knows that, but the question posed here is whether or not it’s being applied in this context, and I argue that it doesn’t seem to be the case at all.
The problem isn’t solely with Americans, bur rather with the self-defeating attitude applied to K-pop in regards to American pop. In essence, K-pop has applied racism to themselves by admitting that they are inferior. Why would Americans respect K-pop when K-pop doesn’t even respect itself? That’s the issue.
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Your argument about me not understanding K-pop is amusing, as I’ve been into it for about a decade now.
K-pop was far less derivative of American pop ten years ago, back when it took cues primarily from J-pop, but put their own flair into it. Compare K-pop, J-pop, and American pop from ten years ago and compare it now. You tell me which has been modeled on which.
As I said, if Koreans can admit it, I don’t see why you can’t. Otherwise, why do they waste their time constantly trying to associate themselves with American pop by any means necessary? It’s embarrassing, man.
Furthermore, I said that it’s more about talent than race, not that talent always wins out. Significant difference. Don’t put words in my mouth.
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Thanks for your pressed response.
yeah pretty pressed. that’s why you’re the one deleting posts:
- with you advancing the notion that the US colonized Korea
- citing wikipedia as a reference that slave mentality is indistinct from colonial mentality
- denying the years of anthropological and sociological work that pop music as a form of social currency suffers from institutional racism in the US
I tole you not to take things so cereal. If you get like 3 more do-overs do you think you could win the internets?
Care less about “winning” and more about getting better.
I realize your delusion allows you to believe you’ve won or that you’re smarter than everybody else, but just stop.
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“yeah pretty pressed. that’s why you’re the one deleting posts:”
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You aren’t welcome.
Not because you’re right or because you’re smarter than everybody either. I deleted your posts because people are complaining about your ironic tendency to use racial epithets while complaining about racism.
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“with you advancing the notion that the US colonized Korea”
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Where did I ever do that? That part of the response to my reply showed such poor reading comprehension that I chalked it up to trolling.
The point was that Japan colonized Korea, hence they would have that mentality towards Japan in regards to the roots of K-pop and how it initially resembled J-pop. Additionally how in the beginning stages of K-pop, Japan was seen as a market too intimidating to conquer.
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“citing wikipedia as a reference that slave mentality is indistinct from colonial mentality”
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As opposed to you who cited nothing? No, I honestly didn’t think you understood the point of it, so I gave it you on a platter.
Regardless, you are arguing something completely different.
You are arguing that Asian Americans being racist (in effect, self defeating) against themselves is a marker of slave mentality, which is fine. The article, however, is about Korea and the perspective of Koreans towards the West/America. Since that inferiority stems from cultural norms, it’s more akin to colonial mentality.
Just as one doesn’t have to be enslaved to have a slave mentality, one doesn’t have to be colonized to have a colonial mentality. You would know how neocolonialism applies to that, I would guess, or feel free to use the occupation of Korea by American troops that continues to this day, whichever.
I was amused because you started off your response by calling me an idiot and a reader an idiot (again, ironically starting the ad hominem war and then accusing me of using ad hominem attacks), yet you didn’t fully seem to understand the argument in the article, which made me wonder if you even read it to begin with. Maybe you just saw the commenter say that racism didn’t exist and flipped out, I dunno, but whatever the case may be, you completely missed the mark with your initial reply.
Anyway, in light of you calling people idiots, it was amusing to me to see you on your high horse talking down at everybody, assuming shit about age and education levels when you couldn’t even make these points correctly.
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“denying the years of anthropological and sociological work that pop music as a form of social currency suffers from institutional racism in the US”
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Again, no.
Not denying that or anything like that.
Just laughing at your stance that because institutionalized racism exists, then the lack of acceptance for K-pop/SNSD in America has to be because of it.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Shit, why don’t we just use that as an excuse for everything? It’s not that William Hung wasn’t talented, it’s just America wasn’t ready for his talent. Fucking racists, the lot of you.
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“I tole you not to take things so cereal. If you get like 3 more do-overs do you think you could win the internets?”
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Oh, is this the part where we argue with memes so you look like you’re above the fray?
Could I take things less seriously? Could you?
Nobody on the site was acting like a cock until you came along, so relax.
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“Care less about ‘winning’ and more about getting better.”
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Care less about trying to appear smart and more about understanding the point.
Thanks again.
Yeah, because “Cry Cry” totally doesn’t sound like Britney Spears.
The only musical point you’re trying to make doesn’t even make sense.
I’m just glad I’m not the only one who knows what Infernal Affairs is. Freaking epic movie.
Cue “无间道.”
Anybody who doesn’t know should be killed. :o
Americans may be a bit ethnocentric when it comes to pop culture, but given that much of the international pop culture is, in fact, derivative, I don’t think it’s completely uncalled for.
‘Racism’ is absolutely the wrong word here. In fact, this Korean blogger who now lives in America makes a case for America being the least racist country in the world:
http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2008/01/america-least-racist-country-in-world.html
Publicly? Yes.
Because the media will fucking incinerate your reputation if you say racist shit.
I would argue that America has no reason to not be ethnocentric as far as pop culture goes. It’s basically the only pop culture that is relevant around the world and it’s the trend setter.
If everybody is going to suck your dick, why not let them?
:o
Nobody is forcing Korean artists to worship American pop artists at every turn, nobody is forcing Korean companies to work with American content creators every chance they get, and nobody is forcing the Korean media to hype up every connection to American pop it can scrape up.
Best paragraph ever. And about the kids react to kpop video. I think kids are the most honest people on earth and they gave the realist opinion based on what they know.
I figured everybody understood that their honesty WAS the amusing part of it.
People that were upset with the “Kids React To” video didn’t seem to understand that the series is basically SUPPOSED to be kids’ being cynical about stuff. Kids watching YouTube videos and enjoying them wouldn’t be entertaining or funny and both the kids (most of whom are regulars on the series) and the producers know this.
So, even if the kids actually liked the K-pop videos, they would still say that they suck because they know that is what is expected of them.
That said, the kids still may have actually disliked the K-pop videos. But my point is that even if they did like them, they wouldn’t have admitted it on camera. A couple of the younger kids liked the videos, but for the most part, the kids gave the negative opinion that they were expected to give.
It wasn’t supposed to be some sort of American kids’ focus group, like most of the pissed-off K-pop fans thought that it was. It was just for comedy.
“KILL DAT DUM WHT KID! HE DIS MAH OPPARS!”
I feel that as long as Korean artists are gonna come here and try to beat the American music industry at their own game in terms of the sound they are destined to fail. Americans would have no reason to embrace artists who have sub-par vocal talent by western standards and have a knock-off sound and image of the top US artists.
Their best bet, in my opinion, is to approach the industry with the unique sound that defined and categorized K-Pop as different way back when. When the Latin explosion happened in the late 90s, they weren’t emulating the American pop sound of the time, they brought their original Latin sounds and added a new element to the US industry instead of creating an abundance of what was already there. Try coming in with a Korean sound and smooth the edges slightly to make it fit. If you’re not gonna wow the audience by showcasing outstanding vocal skill, at least give them a chance to like it in a different, gimmicky way like a catchy arrogant Abracadabra hip-dance or a non-sensical but catchy lyrical repetition T-ara likes to use. That’s the way I see current artists possibly making it here.
For future artists, ramp up the singing talent first and foremost, and they’ll already automatically have a better chance than current artists at succeeding here.
Agree.
Especially the part about remaining true to developing your own style in your home country and bringing that to America as is.
Hasn’t K-pop been built on the back of American pop though? So how would it change?
J-pop can’t bring their idols over that way either, because they are terrible musically.
I believe a lot of recent K-Pop has a much more obvious western influence than some of the past hits that brought me into K-Pop. Those hits, like Kara’s Mister, SNSD’s Gee, or Wonder Girls’ Nobody, where when I heard and saw these songs for the first time, I automatically (being completely clueless about anything Asian related) was able to consider it as uniquely Korean, and not something I’d find anywhere else. Personally, I believe that’s the market they should try to tap into and not the heavy electronic western-style songs that “The Boys’ and “The DJ Is Mine” fall into as these songs are just second-tier productions in America.
In essence, basically bubble-gum pop. I mean these songs are different not seen in the US. Bubble Pop was such a huge hit across the world and it wasn’t even supposed to be, but it was so radically different that it garnered so much attention.
Bubble gum pop can’t make it only because there’s this thought on how cutesy pop is not “legitimate” music and is not suitable for grown people to sing.
Cheesy lyrics don’t matter because there is a very high amount of people that I’ve met who don’t even pay attention to the lyrics of the songs anyway but sing along to the words. Once I show them the lyrics they realize how dirty one the songs was.
I agree ‘bubble gum pop’ is not legitimate music, but you’ve got to compensate somewhere. You have to ask yourself: which will gain more attention? The distinctive cutesy pop or the poor-man’s version of western pop? If there’s one thing Korean groups are experts at, it’s doing cutesy pop. Why not play to your strengths?
It’s not legitimate, in the sense of respect.
It has worked before though, when it has been catchy, and K-pop has a strength in that.
Like it has been said, the strength is not trying make cheap imitations.
@jkaz
There is no such thing as “legitimate” or “illegitimate” music. In order to say that there would need to be some objective metric of which none exists.
If they want Asian music to succeed and be taken seriously, why not support the artists with talent who struggle against the company idols?
It’s odd, honestly.
If it’s respect they want, why are they running out lesser Korean talents?
If it’s money they want, why not focus on Japan, Asia, and Europe?
It’s the ploy of the companies to try and get bragging rights. Otherwise, none of this makes sense.
I think you are right to an extent, but we should regent we are talking about pop music.
I don’t care if ” I Am the Best” had significant influence from production styles in the US, it was a great song. Same with GD&TOPs collab…
All I care about as a consumer is if you can give me something worth listening to. They need to stop feeding each other this idea about ”adapting” to American tastes, because it’s a myth. Look at Adele, she’s not slutting it up and was one of the biggest breakthroughs last year. I mean, you’re a fucking artist. You should be different than anything else I could ever see from anyone else. They shoot themselves in the foot trying to be ”American.”
Besides, Korea has a lot of indie talent (especially songwriters)…if they ever begin to crave more attention, it’d be a positive thing. For now, they seem to not be very interested in mainstream advancement.
Not sure what you are arguing. My point wasn’t that the songs can be enjoyable, my point was that it’s pointless to say that K-pop is superior and in the same breath say America is racist for not liking it while kowtowing to every American pop trend.
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Adele has exceptional talent and is not pop in the way we are currently looking at it.
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99% of indie talents are only that way until they can hit the mainstream. Maybe they don’t want fame and fortune, but they want people to hear their music.
*Shouldn’t forget we’re taking about kpop.
I have to strongly disagree with OP here.
While racism can’t be faulted for why K-Pop is struggling in America, your assertion that K-Pop is an inferior derivative of mainstream American Pop is fallacious.
Why? Because it is impossible to qualify the “good”ness or “bad”ness of music in objective terms. Even if we were to say that certain music is “better” than others, mainstream pop shows us that such a qualification is meaningless in terms of how people enjoy music. People will listen to music because it creates a positive emotional response, not because it’s technically brilliant.
Expanding on what I just wrote, even American pop is derivative of American pop. All music of a certain genre can be said to be derivative of previous examples of that genre. This imaginary line you are drawing between K-Pop and American pop doesn’t exist, they are both pop.
They draw the line themselves. So do Asian Americans for that matter.
The complaint is that Americans think of it as derivative (using kids as an example, for god sakes), but it’s the people promoting K-pop themselves who try to make the allusions.
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Pop is pop and American pop is derivative of American pop, true.
What I’m saying is that K-pop has taken its cues not from K-pop but from their Western pop music counterparts in a concerted effort to make the sound and the appeal more global.
By comparison, J-pop has refused to do the same, instead concentrating on their home market, hence they are currently inferior globally.
My argument is that K-pop argues itself that it’s derivative.
That has less to do with whatever subjective value you’re trying to argue and more to do with their worship of everything American pop music related.
Let’s be honest though, even if you don’t study music, it wouldn’t take a composer to compare K-pop in 1997 and K-pop in 2012 and see how the sound has trended.
So how does that factor in to why Kpop is struggling to be successful in America? Kpop is derivative and sounds like American pop, but that won’t stop people who enjoy the music from enjoying the music, and those who don’t, won’t. The reason why Kpop in America is struggling has nothing to do with the music itself.
I do believe it has everything to do with, not racism, but definitely cultural conditioning. People tend to embrace things that are familiar to them, and reject things that are unfamiliar. For the same reason why Chinese people eat Chinese food more than Caucasians eat Chinese food, people will tend to consume things of their own culture because it is familiar.
In fact I don’t even need to use the analogy of food here. It’s easily observable, at least where I live and among the people I interactive, that Asian people consume Asian culture more than non-Asians do, seemingly for the only reason that it is Asian. Although this is a purely anecdotal argument, I am 100% confident this applies to any place where there are a high proportion of different ethnicities. It’s simply human nature.
Again, unlike the arguments you quoted in the OP, this is distinctly different from *racism*.
In order for Kpop to be successful in America would require America to be bombarded by Kpop and Korean media in general, just as how the rest of the world is bombarded by American media, such that those societies have been conditioned to become more receptive of that media.
I think we’re talking about entirely different things here.
My post is about how Asians want to take the easy way out and blame American racism or bias on any K-pop failure, and I’m saying it’s not that simple, because Asians are doing it to themselves before Americans even get the chance to judge. Within that point, they model their entire sound on what’s popular or trendy in the West, so to bash on kids for calling a spade a spade doesn’t show American racism, it shows simple observational skill, IMO.
If you want to argue that Americans are less receptive to foreign acts, you’re not going to get any argument from me. I’m well aware that biases exist and will continue to do so.
If you want to argue about the quality or type of music, that’s fine, but it’s not what I’m talking about in this article. Nor did I really broach the topic of whether or not I think K-pop will be successful in depth, but I suppose that could be saved for a different editorial.
Also, sometimes you have to look at things on a case by case basis. I don’t think The Boys is a terrible song. It has great harmonies and the build up in the last verse is great, but he raps are really “bad” and it doesn’t help that their English pronunciation isn’t great and the lyrics are asinine.
miss A’s Love Alone is a great English song that sounds *exactly* like the type of pop music that comes from America. You wouldn’t even be able to say it is derivative of American pop, it is exactly American pop. If miss A ever wanted to debut in America, I have a feeling that song would be incredibly successful.
Of course here I’m talking just about the music, and I did say earlier that I don’t believe that success is about musical content as much as it is marketing, and I don’t have a clue about marketing.
I honestly don’t think “The Boys” was even in the top half of their best songs on their Japanese album.
Liked that album.
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Well, if you want to take it a step further and say that Korean companies just started making American pop, than that’s fine too, but I think that argument is gonna piss off more K-pop fans than what I argued.
Derivative but separate and in an own style is one thing, but a complete duplicate…I dunno. Remember, K-pop fans are not so fond of American pop. They get combative whenever that topic comes up.
I don’t think there is a gap in vocal talent but more so vocal tone. It’s tough to imitate that American vocal tone. A lot of Asian singers, imo, can hit the same notes, but they don’t have the same weight to their voices. I think its due to the language they grow up speaking. English has a heavier sound. Also, when Americans see Asian singers being sexy or dancing hip hop, Americans think, ‘what do you know about that? You didn’t grow up like that.’ Yes, I’m American.
The soulfulness of it?
Yeah, the soulfulness. I think Ailee is a good example of what I’m talking about. She grew up here in the US, if I’m not mistaken, and has that slightly soulfultone to her voice. Also, having that tone to your voice really helps during the ad-libbing(sp?) parts of your song.
I think it’s generally learned from African American singers that’s why, which has become the default tone for American music.
Yeah, I agree 100% (didn’t wanna come right and say it tho haha)
Was afraid of stepping on toes haha
IF truly americans were “racist” which by the way I’m american and I am not so please next time use the terminology “Some Americans”, anyways, if “Americans” were truly “racist” against Kpop then SNSD wouldn’t have performed on 2 of the top american talk shows, 2NE1 wouldn’t be producing with one of the top producers (Will.I.Am) , Wonder Girls wouldn’t have toured with the Jonas Brothers (poor girls) or they wouldn’t have gotten their own movie or they wouldn’t have performed at all in America. Need I remind you how Rain(Bi) who was featured in People magazine for “Top Sexiest Men In The World (An american magazine) and how he was interviewed with his story on how he got to perform at the Madison Square Gardens? Or for that matter how there were Kpop festivals held in America? Let’s look at the Asian/Asian American body as a whole since myself is in that. If America was against any form of Asian music then X Japan wouldn’t have performed for an american movie or got the oppurtunity to re-debut at Lollapalooza in Chicago, nor would any bands for that matter be invited over by American companies to perform. Did you know the found of Rockstar entertainment says he hopes (and yes Im aware it’s a different genre but in a way it’s still on topic) that Japanese bands can some how reignite the American Rock Scene. Oh I forgot to mention that if America was prejudice wouldn’t they have blocked sells on itunes and in stores? They do have the power to do that, Doesn’t matter what the company wants. So I think this article is a bit…well, the research doesn’t seem to quite be up to date or seem very well done.
My article is arguing in favor of your point, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Also I want to point out: there’s countless of Genres. No one ever gave Krock a try and look what happened! One of the best Krock bands is now pop oh how it broke my heart.