
To begin, let me just say that I wholeheartedly agree with most of the article. It’s well written and worth the read.
The Asian male is the most under represented demographic group in any form of entertainment. Shows have been created to feature gays and lesbians, black men and black women, heavy people, skinny people, nerds and geeks, but there isn’t a single show that is based on an Asian guy.
That’s basically the premise and there’s no argument there.
There is no ethnic group in America that is less represented, less bankable, and easier to publicly insult than Asians.
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The simplest example is that nobody gets fired when they clown on Asians.
Mainstream media makes a casually stated racist joke about a black American? Fired. The same situation for an Asian American? Eh, no biggie.
Football coach makes a Jap joke? Apologize and it’s done. Make a derisive joke about Koreans eating dogs on a late night talk show? Nobody even makes a stink. Make clanging sounds to imitate the Chinese language on a daytime television show? Make shitty apology and resume life.
Any other race in a similar situation? Fired. Immediately.
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So why is that? Basically because the Asian influence in America is not that strong. More importantly, the Asian American rights groups don’t have the power or pull to force or affect change.
The lack of representation, respect, and bankability of Asian Americans in America segues perfectly into the part of the allkpop editorial that I disagreed with*.
*You could make the case that this editorial should have been about Asian Americans as a whole, not just Asian American males, because the Asian American females get the same stereotypical roles and are only more frequently cast because females are easier to sexualize. But that’s a different topic.
Besides the fact that it’s a common sense type of editorial that most people already knew about (especially their target audience), the solution it suggests to the problem of Asian American males not having influence is overly simplistic.
Executives in the TV, movie and music industries need to be agents of social change and push for more inclusion and open doors for actors and musicians. As more and more Asians enter the entertainment industries in the front offices or behind the camera, they need to do their part by pushing for Asians in roles, to help Asian musicians get air play. It’s not easy and no one ever said it would be but social equality has to be a priority in entertainment like it is in professional sports.
This is an odd solution.
In a way it’s advocating for special treatment, as if Hollywood has a duty to promote political agendas of certain minorities. Of course, the problem is that they don’t, as it’s a business for them.
The author even acknowledges that fact in the next paragraph.
At the end of the day, entertainment is a business and everyone will do what brings in the most money which is why the people with the most power are us. As fans and consumers, we have do our part by supporting Asian entertainers and show Hollywood and the music world that we are ready and the rest of the world is ready to see Asian men take larger and broader roles in today’s entertainment world. Support Asian actors and let your voices be heard through what you watch and what you buy. Your voice is much louder than you can possibly imagine, so use it.
Exactly.
I’m not sure why the author realizes this but doesn’t expand on it and instead chooses to blame Hollywood for everything.
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To use an example from the author’s own article, Will Smith didn’t break down barriers because Hollywood felt they needed to make up for racial injustice and turn a random black actor into a movie star. No, he broke down barriers because he worked from the bottom up, making music as part of a rap duo, starring on the “The Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air“, and then specifically targeting movies with his manager that would make the most money based on observed trends of success.
Seriously? Yeah, seriously.
The math of moviemaking enthralls Smith, who calls himself a “student of universal patterns.” To hear him talk about analyzing the weekend box office with Lassiter is to see flashes of the aspiring engineer who almost attended MIT. “Every Monday morning, we sit down–’O.K., what happened this weekend, and what are the things that resemble things that have happened the last 10, 20, 30 weekends?’ It is so much fun to look at something everyone’s looking at to see if a different pattern comes out for you.” With Legend, Smith hopes to break one of Hollywood’s rigid rules. “Summer movies are about things that happen, and fall movies are about how people respond to things that happen,” he says. “The drill was to try to blend those two things, to make a movie that is 100% about following the character [scientist Robert Neville] and how the character reacts to what happened [the destruction of humanity].” Smith traditionally owns July 4 weekend, with things-that-happen movies like Independence Day. “There is a youthful energy that I have that fits during that time of release and rejuvenation,” he says, expressing a level of self-knowledge rare for people who make their living playing make-believe. For a December release like Legend, “I have to focus more ’cause it’s not my natural lane.”
A career axiom that Smith figured out early on still stymies plenty of big-name American actors. “Movie stars are made with worldwide box office,” Smith says. “You put a movie out in the U.S., and let’s say it breaks even. Then the studio needs you to go around the world and get profit. Being able to get $30 mil in England, 37 in Japan, 15 in Germany is what makes the studio support your movies differently than they support other actors’ movies.” He has built his global audience systematically: with each film, Smith introduces himself to a new people, often piggybacking on a local event that will attract worldwide attention. For Men in Black II, he toured in South Korea during the World Cup; for Hitch, he hit Brazil during carnival; for next year’s fallen-superhero tale Hancock, he’s trying to get into Beijing during the Olympics.
That shit right there is why he’s successful and breaks barriers. He didn’t just magically get handed everything, he put together a plan to prove he could be financially viable and then had the determination, intelligence, and talent to execute it … over and over and over again. He showed Hollywood executives that he could make them a ton of money and thus he changed the game. That’s how you get into the business, not by praying that Hollywood feels bad and gives you a shot.
Look, nobody doubts that there’s discrimination against Asian American males in the American entertainment business, but it’s not like a black American rapper from Philadelphia had it any easier in his quest to become relevant.
Hell, the article starts off by citing the success of Jeremy Lin, and he’s perfect for my point as he’s both an Asian American and a male. The fact of the matter is that he didn’t become a household name due to the NBA needing to fill some social or cultural Asian American quota. No, he became a household name because he did something that nobody else in NBA history ever did before, regardless of race.
I expanded on those two examples from the author’s own article to say that the blame doesn’t fall on Hollywood, but on the fact that Asian American males aren’t bankable in America to begin with.
That’s the reality, in my opinion.
As such, what needs to be explored here is not Hollywood, but the reason why Asian American males don’t resonate in America.
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As the author states, the fans of Asian American entertainers need to speak with their wallets if they want Asians to have more power in the entertainment business. However, even that isn’t enough, as the cold reality is that the niche of fans who currently exist for Asian American entertainers pales in comparison to their peers, and they simply don’t wield the buying power that will matter to the decision making executives.
It’s a harsh reality, but the change and acceptance that has to occur in order for Asian American entertainers to have relevance must happen on the grander social and cultural level, not from a Hollywood welfare plan. The entertainment industry force feeding Asians to the public and going broke from it is not going to do any favors to anybody, and it won’t put a dent in the bias that America has against Asian Americans either.
In other words, affecting change in a societal and cultural sense should be the priority here, and if you want to put the blame on Hollywood by asking them where all the Asian guys are, then they have every right to ask right back, “Hey Asian guys, where’s our money?”
They aren’t still in business because they dole out welfare, they’re in it because they know how to make bank. It’s simplistic to cry for Hollywood to pay attention to Asian males, because the change that has to occur is much more complicated than that.
It’s already slowly getting better, as I see more Asian guys on television and film than I ever had before, but nobody said this was going to be an accelerated process.
Just ask the other minorities.
Asian Junkie Asian pop. Without discretion.
I guess we Asians are just too busy studying all the time to care about who they cast on TV and in movies. Personally, I really think it’s a matter of cultural barriers. “Asians” themselves are composed of a wide variety of sub-groups. Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Japanese… the list goes on and on. Doing something like an “Asian” Fresh Prince wouldn’t work. The show would end up being too narrowly focused and fall flat. The same applies for any other show that is “Asian-” based. Like that one show about the Indians — Outsourced. It didn’t do well at all. Sure, it was funny, but the cultural aspects of it were a turn off to most American viewers. Something like the Fresh Prince is more relevant, since blacks have pretty much adopted the U.S. lifestyle.
Aside from that, the money aspect of it is right on. While this is purely a matter of personal opinion, Asian men aren’t all that marketable. Yes, there are some very attractive Asian men out there, but I find that they are few and far between. When you think of a typical alpha-male figure, you think of a Caucasian individual. It’s how society has hard-wired us. And, to be quite honest, Hugh Jackman, to me, is a lot more good looking than any Asian man I have encountered.
On the other side of the coin, Asian women are frequently much more marketable. There’s an appeal to them (the hot ones) that is… universally apparent (boobs)? I find that Asian women are taking the industry more and more in America. Maggie Q is the star of Nikita. Lucy Liu is being cast as Watson in an upcoming adaptation of Sherlock Holmes. The list goes on and on for the ladies.
I think I could write for another hour about this off the top of my head, but, alas, I have to do my hair and shit before I get to class. I’ll be back for some stimulating discussion.
I think the problem is that culturally we’re not taught to speak out and be loud and be angry in public forums, which is usually what gets shit done.
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Agree with the point about Asian-ness being varied. A gigantic problem is that an Asian ethnicity will only pay attention to their own Asian ethnicity and not to Asian people as a race.
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Asian women have the advantage of being sexualized by the West, so while they fall into stereotypes (dragon lady/me love you long time), those actually help them gain prominent roles. Hell, even “Nikita” is an example of that.
That has less to do with mainstream acceptance of Asians and more to do with mainstream America wanting to fuck Asian women, honestly.
While I have no real data to support this, I also feel like the market is very much unbalanced in respect to the fact that less Asians (particularly men, in my opinion) pursue acting careers in America. Like you said, it’s based on what we’re taught; there’s an emphasis on going to college and obtaining a degree in the sciences, the medical sciences, mathematics, etc. Liberal arts are generally looked down upon in Asian communities, and I think that is reflected by the small selection of Asian actors in the industry. As such, they’re less inclined to get exposed and are reserved to minor roles. Still, there are some pretty prominent Asian male actors, as well. Aside from the “gimmicky” ones (e.g., Jackie Chan, Jet Li, etc.), there’s people like the guy who plays Agent Cho on The Mentalist. He’s not THE lead character, but he is one of the main leads.
I mean, is the underexposure of Asians in American media really such a bad thing, though? I’m not saying that you’re insinuating that, but it seems like people that are angry about this are overlooking the fact that we, as a racial group, are dominating in fields like medicine and science. When put in this sort of light, the matter seems almost trivial to me.
Agreed.
Whether or not Asians are under-represented in American showbiz or not, it’s funny to me that the author of the Allkpop article calls it a “major issue” and ends the piece with the “light at the end of the tunnel” metaphor. Yes, Asian men out there, I know these are dark, dark times. But you must not give up hope. For there is some light at the end of this dark tunnel. One day, if you persevere, you may get a sitcom. Or have your name on the poster of the latest craptacular Hollywood blockbuster.
Did the author even consider that maybe most Asian guys might actually prefer a career outside the entertainment industry?
I remember reading a similar article awhile ago about how females were “under-represented” in the computer industry. Well, it turns out the reason was simple: women aren’t generally as interested in computers as guys are. Obviously if there aren’t many women pursuing technology as a career, you can’t expect there to be as many of them in the industry.
How many aspiring Asian actors are there in Hollywood? That’s the number you would have to look at first before you make the claim that they are under-represented.
It’s quite possible that Asian guys are “under-represented” in showbiz for the same reason that white guys are “under-represented” in engineering.
Also, regarding the relative success of Asian women vs. Asian men in the Western entertainment industry – I think it just comes down to men (in general) being less particular about who or what they will fuck. We just don’t really care about race when it comes to tits and ass. Guys will have sex with a green alien lizard woman from Mars if she’s hot. We just don’t care. Or at least, our penises don’t. I don’t believe women are the same way. Cherry-picking an example of Megan Fox wanting to fuck Rain doesn’t really say anything about the general attitudes of white women towards Asian men.
It matters because people judge you based on a snap judgment and you are assigned the role that the culture and society of the place you’re living in assigns.
Glass ceiling and what not.
I doubt it’s a case of not wanting to be in the entertainment industry.
Are there less? Sure, but there’s quite a few who are out there struggling.
I know a lot of Asian Americans who would love to be a part of it.
Something that caught my eye about what you said. Asians are dominating in the medical field. So very true and its a great thing. So thats a positive side to the matter. And sometimes I think that is better than what most black guys get. Most americans seem to see black guys as only being good with sports and other things like that. I think there is much more to black guys than that but since they are so good as sports most people just take them for that. So for asians to be great in the medical field seems pretty good to me. Not saying people should just take asian men for that either.
Yeah, but especially to young people, black guys are seen as cool and masculine in popular culture, which is what will be how society views them in the coming generation.
I think it’s things are changing with current generations, though, Asians are starting to act more collectively. The whole Lin ordeal is a testament to it. If it were only Taiwanese people paying attention, it wouldn’t catch–but I’ve found Asians of all sorts on Facebook, Twitter, and forums in support of what he does.
There are Asians who don’t care as much because he’s Chinese/Taiwanese, and then there’s people arguing about whether he’s Chinese or Taiwanese.
It’s ridiculous.
“I doubt it’s a case of not wanting to be in the entertainment industry. Are there less? Sure, but there’s quite a few who are out there struggling. I know a lot of Asian Americans who would love to be a part of it.”
Sure, there are Asian Americans that want to join the entertainment industry, but that doesn’t mean that they necessarily have the chops to nab lead roles and such. Harking back to the cultural thing again, the way most Asians are raised, there is a focus away from the liberal arts. Even something like playing an instrument is often warped into a “chore” do accomplish that will get you into a good college.
Take almost any prominent Asian American actor and ask them what their upbringing was like, and I can say with some level of confidence that their parents were most likely supportive of their endeavors in the entertainment industry. Otherwise, most Asian Americans are pushed away, discouraged, or put in settings that are less conducive to developing the skills necessary to succeed in the entertainment industry. My parents would have never agreed to ever letting me go to something like, say, acting camp.
Yes, societal attitudes towards Asians has a hand in this all, but I think the major issue here is the view of the Asian community as a whole towards careers in entertainment. It’s a very hit or miss industry with a variable level of uncertainty. Even well-established actors sometimes find it hard to find work and will undoubtedly find themselves in a constant back and forth from the limelight.
You know your perceptions coincide with what the US market pushes, right? The industry finds value in pushing Asian females and under-exposing Asian males.
Just because you find High Jackman more attractive, doesn’t mean that he’s more marketable than a top Asian star. There’s a reason why Asian stars are still more highly valued in their own countries, even when factoring in the fact that the US entertainment industry and its stars are globally known.
Whenever Asian males are exposed in the US market, there are 2 variants–guys like Hiro from Heroes or Ken Jeong’s characters, quirky/comedic, but not sexy. These guys are marketed by non-Asians. The other variant is like Sung Kang’s character in Tokyo Drift, who was the most likeable to audiences, but the movie was directed by an Asian male.
Find the reasons behind why certain types are being pushed in the US market and you’ll understand that there’s a lot more to it than you think.
African-American actors have overcome racial boundaries but still so many remain. When you have a few minutes, read the following 3 links. From the Hunger Game responses you can get an idea of why Hollywood won’t change in the near future considering the comments from the target audience.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/14/opinion/martin-red-tails-hollywood/index.html
http://nerdgasmnoire.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/yes-there-are-black-people-in-your-hunger-games-the-strange-case-of-rue-cinna/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/mia/part2.htm
Sadly doesn’t even surprise me.
Good article…and as has been mentioned, i do think theres also the issue of so few good asian actors in hollywood. Mainly due to cultural reasons etc.
And even if 100% of Asian males went for acting career paths, the industry and the market are against them.
As usual what bothered me about this article on AKP were certain people’s comments regards to it. “Well Korea doesn’t have minorities in their shows!!!” or “Instead of writing an article about this,they need one on how blacks are being treated in Korea! BIAS!” *sighs* Just felt like they missed the purpose of the article.. ._. Even when people listed Asians who are doing well.. but… the reason why the listed ones are is because they were in some stereotypical role about being Asian/martial artist/nerd/etc. n’t make portray them as being obviously stereotypical Asian.
But I think if Asian Americans really wanted their portrayal in the media changed, then I think just as what black people have done.. is to fight for it. Hollywood can’t really do much because they know what’s marketable. The obvious reason why Goku was played by a white actor… or the kids in Last Airbender.. or even in Forbidden Kingdom.. Had no idea why the outta nowhere kid was in thee because he didn’t bring in what little money the film made.. also that new movie Keanu is suppose to be in. His character was made up just so they can add him. But yeah, I think if there aren’t many Asian Americans trying to go to Hollywood and trying to make the change… then it would be difficult.
GRRRR I wasn’t finished typing and I somehow sent it….. Anywho though, to continue with the last sentence, (because that’s not how I wanted to end it -__- ) We can look at how blacks were in Hollywood since its history and to where they are now. It wasn’t because Hollywood felt like they should be more open to roles & portrayal (lol quite the opposite) but because of social changes people themselves were trying to make. But yeah.. just my view on it all (and sorry for my typos in the previous post..)
Those were the dumbest comments ever.
I agree with the comment about minorities in korea.
Why? It’s completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
Because the way I see it koreans or other asians are the minority in america. So if koreans can get away with the excuse of .homogeneous or whatever then why not america? My logic is like this. Both countries have to change but why should only america change?
Uh…because we’re a melting pot and our minorities combined are actually the majority of the population now, whereas Korea’s minority is like 1%.
Why would they have black actors in their commercials and dramas when there are like zero black people there who aren’t soldiers or English teachers?
That makes zero sense.
I hate when people use that ‘minorities are not seen on Korean television’ excuse. Why and who really cares if they don’t have many minorities on their shows? Korea is still a homogenous nation and that takes a major role why. People have to agree to some matter that there’s not allot of Asians are in the film, music, and sports industry because it’s not usually the career path we don’t want to take for any reason it could be. The same goes for why this so-and-so aren’t seen much in the medical, law, science, etc field.
LOL…..homogeneous
I though I was the only one who laughed at that word.
Great article…I agree, its going to take some time for Asian-Americans to be more mainstream. Indian actors are almost non-existent as well, in Hollywood.
But not just in cinema, music as well. Witch I would think the music industry would be more easily to market.
But just like African American actors and Latin-American actors. It gradually changed. Its only a matter of time.
And i know that Hollywood it just trying to make money, but these writers need to be more creative, and more original when they come up with these scripts!
I dont think it will ever change to be honest..if the average black kid or latin kid comes home from school one day and says he wants to go to acting school and become a movie star, thats fine..If the average asian kid does that? im not asian but it seems to me theres a few set careers that parents push their kids toward..and acting aint one of them..
It could be that. or it could be that they don’t think they have a chance, so why bother.
Hollywood could easily take a supermodel looking Asian girl and turn her into “Rihanna” (who doesn’t right any of her songs and over-kills the autotune) it would be a start..
Kids dont really think like that though..If you meet young actors, you can see the passion they have for it..Its a dream, a calling etc…All that shit…
There are obviously regular actors in asia…but it seems like asian americans are pushed, by their culture, into a few select career paths. It also seems to start from a young age.
I dunno…Its a chicken and egg situation…Are there so few good asian roles because there are so few good asian actors? Or are there so few good asian actors because theres so few good roles for them…
Personally id love for choi min sik or song kang ho to study his arse off in english and then become an actor in the west and blow peoples minds.
It can’t be an Asian females. All that does is push the ‘exotic’ factor to the public and fetishize Asian females.
It would have to be Asian males to popularize Asians in general in the US market. And the way things stand, there’s more value in keeping the current public image of Asians than to popularize them.
Someone has to be the social punching bag and Asians are privileged enough in US society that it’s to okay to poke fun.
Dunno, but if you take certain areas that are Asian dominated in America, you’ll see that Asians assume the tradition roles in American society: jock/nerd/leader/whatever.
It’s partially on Asian Americans to change and it’s partially on America to stop being shitty.
>:( Are you throwing shade at Rihanna? Aw, hell naw. That is motherfuckin’ Rihanna from Barbados! She takes over the charts and leaves the other bitches staggering!
RIHANNA NAAAVVVVVYYY!!!!! (>O<)
I totally get what your saying. If there aren’t many Asian-american actors out there, it will be very hard to change and get good rolls.
Same can be said about most minorities in america, As Hollywood loves to perpetuate negative stereotypes.
And yes, Choi Min Sik is an amazing actor. He was really good in Oldboy!!
I really think it’s beyond the cultural standards Asians hold for themselves in the West, personally.
Being a professional athlete isn’t a traditional profession, the talent pool is extremely competitive, but there are at least some Asians in it that do it well.
Being a successful entrepreneur isn’t a traditional route, either, but there are a decent number of successful companies in the US that have Asian founders, co-founders, or CEOs. Again, the competition is fierce and the number of these positions is very limited.
Then let’s look at the movie/tv entertainment industry. There are a lot of actors out there and the standard of talent isn’t very high. There are a decent number of Asian male actors, but if we screen out the dorky/quirky/humorous famous actors, who are we left with?
There have been countless films and tv shows in history, and how many have had prominent cool/sexy Asian male leads? The Asian male in entertainment is intentionally being held back with more effort than most of us perceive.
Probably about the same amount of Asian American athletic stars and Asian American CEOs of major companies as Asian American hunky lead actors.
As long as bland movies with zero plot and cliched characters continue to make 250 million dollars, there’s no reason to change.
Love your last point. I pointed out on AKP that a lot of money Hollywood makes not only comes from the US but overseas as well, so when they cast they are keeping in mind who majority of America wants to see, their own personal agenda for casting the way to do, and who the rest of world will pony up money to see and I’m pretty sure America isn’t the only place that would rather see the white actor seeing as films starring minorities may not even get an international release or will skip releases in some countries (a la The Princess and the Frog which I know wasn’t released in Japan and they supposedly love the shit out of Disney and its princesses). This is going to be an uphill battle because not only America has this funny way of thinking when choosing who they want to root for/fap to in films.
Yup.
That’s exactly why Will Smith choose the roles he did as well.
He kept in mind the international audience and now he’s loved around the world.
I just wanna slap who ever did the Op-Ed article on AKP for this because its misleading and seems racially bias.
Black entertainment took a century to be were its at today. This article uses Will Smith career as an example but Smith made a conscious choice not to do stereotypical roles. That often depicts Black men as violent thugs and pimps that mistreat women. That was a choice he made as an actor and had to deal with the struggle.
I get this impression Asian-Americans do not like fight nor struggle to earn their place in the U.S. As a fellow minority and a women maybe I’m just being to unsympathetic.
Either way Asian can learn from how Blacks and Latinos over come. They supported each other (racial community) and actors were more cautious about what roles to play. Many Black and Latino actors will point out “yes I’m a minority but doesn’t mean I need to stereotype myself to pay the rent.”
I feel Asian aren’t the same and willing sell them selves and their community out. Just for 15 seconds of fame. The natives don’t feel this way. Hint way their making strive and Asian Americans feel in an odd place.
I kinda see what youre saying here but it doesnt really fit what i see in reality. Nearly every single movie that hollywood puts out has at least one black thug/gangster/criminal role..The hollywood stereotype of the thug black guy is just as prevalent as the asexual nerdy asian.
So black actors have been fighting a century and they STILL get cast as thugs all the time?
Well a century before a black women had to play a mammy characters and men playing some dancing happy guy unless a white guy is being dressed up as one instead…
Still though, black people have came a long way in the cinema scene (and it’s also with help of the Civil Rights Movement) and black people aren’t just really being only thugs/criminals in mainstream movies… (if anything, it’s more apparent in movies directed by other black people.. John Singleton movies come to mind) But Hollywood plays on all types of stereotypes. The ‘fat guy/girl’ stereotype… the ‘in your face flaming flamboyant’ gay guy, the mob Italian dude, some person from the south being slow or a redneck, the black chick either being ghetto or sassy. But yeah if we’re talking mainstream movies, it’s a mix of both stereotypical casting and not while movies obviously aimed to a certain audience (like Madea is obviously aimed for black people) that negative portrayal isn’t always there.
Agree with the fact that they should unite.
Disagree with the assertion that black and latino entertainers made a difference from within.
Society changed, they didn’t change.
Even if you look now, they still play those roles you mentioned in gigantic numbers.
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As far as the standing up for yourself thing, there has to be a middle ground somewhere, between fighting for everything and having pride, and putting that aside and prioritizing education and family.
The solution is for South Korean geneticists to engineer the next generation of Koreans to be hyper-masculine and have gigantic cocks.
Unless they engineer them in the US as native speakers, they aint gonna get anywhere..The fact that most asian dudes ARE masculine doesnt matter..its just the image that matters…and that image is asexual faggots.
Did you really reply seriously? :o
lol
Well that is just fabulous!
More asian dicks for me until the cunts realize how hot they are.
There’s always been a demand by Asians for Asians in US entertainment, just look at the turnouts for acts that try to break the US market–it’s always the Asians and Asian Americans supporting it the most.
The problem is that it’s in a lot of people’s best interest to maintain the status quo.
Groups like African Americans and gays have faced tougher social hardships in US history, so as civil rights progressed, it was natural for the US as a whole to be apologetic for it and make it unacceptable to make racial slurs against them.
Asians, for the most part, haven’t had these same social hardships in US history (with the exception of Japanese camps in WW2, which didn’t have a lasting impact), so nobody truly treats them with the same severity as if someone busted out the words nigger/jew/faggot/etc.
So while people like Lin may actually hit headlines for reasons like race, it’s still socially acceptable for people like Mayweather to nitpick on it, or for sports writers to “accidentally” slip in ‘Chink in the Armor’ as a Lin headline on an article.
No, the problem is that all that demand only amounts to 4% of the market.
Linsanity took off not because of Asian American support, but because his appeal was universal.
I think whoever controls the market, controls the content. Think of the Korean pop industry. It’s not like there’s a lack of demand for hot girls, and yet we see a disproportionate amount of ugly idols…some borderline hideous. It’s because the powers that be let ugly ones in, because they’ll fuck them.
There’s no shortage of alpha-type Asians in Hollywood/LA that are talented enough to make it big (especially if you look at the standard of talent today) and want to make it. No executives want a type like that to make it through, unless they abide by the social norms in place (Lee Byung Hun, you’re alpha, but we’re gonna give you the martial arts Asian type we have for Asian males in America…that’s the only badass type we accept for your kind.)
The only real cool/badass type (that wasn’t martial arts male) I can think off off the top of my head was Sung Kang’s role in Tokyo Drift, and that was directed/written by an Asian male.
Who are the alpha males?
I think this is just a matter of having the right person in the right role. Asians aren’t known for playing the alpha-male role and I don’t think there should be pressure for Asians to just play a role that they’re not comfortable with. You can’t just get a Rain type to play a boring action hero – I don’t know what the movie will look like, but it has to be good and connect with the audience on a level beyond just race.
Very few actors make it big early, it is a struggle. There probably is a talented Asian actor out there trying to make it big, it’s just a matter of time before there’s a big, Asian American star. I don’t think Hollywood has to make an exceptional effort to get Asians out there…it may just take a perfect storm of a talented Asian director, an open minded producer and a talented Asian actor/actress to bring AAs to national entertainment prominence.
As a side note, Asians are stereotyped as being intelligent, and I think they can parlay that onto the big screen. I would like to see a smart, resourceful, morally complex Asian protagonist kicking ass, not just a muscle bound idiot chopping heads.
They do use that stereotype … to make the guy a one-dimensional nerd.
I don’t know I mean even though “:American” is not a race I get stereotyped by people from Asia when I talk to them. They ask me if I’m really “American” because I’m not tall or have blonde hair and blue eyes and really we can not only thank our media for that but the world media in general. I do get the same “Stereotypes” but then I just correct them politely because I don’t want to seem hostile.
What is your solution?
It’s complicated, like any social change.
Nothing I say is going to be anywhere close to complete, but I can start with general stuff.
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For the Asian American side, it’s important that we realize that most other races in America don’t even see us as Korean/Japanese/Chinese or whatever, so acting as separate groups for our own ethnic interests is counterproductive since we’re a small minority to begin with. Uniting would be the smart and effective thing to do.
Additionally, there needs to be more people like Sung Kang and Jeremy Lin and Kurt Suzuki and what not. Not so much the talent, but the attitude.
Instead of just falling in with what society pegs you as, people need to man up and make decisions for themselves to be their own person. Part of that involves taking a risk and following a dream, which is something that I find gets squashed early with Asian American kids.
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For America’s part, it’s just accepting the fact that Asian Americans aren’t foreigners and that they are every bit of an American as everybody else.
Funny that we worship the military, but the best story, that of the 442nd, hasn’t been given a modern treatment yet. You would think stuff like that could appeal to a broader base, just from a story perspective, regardless of the race involved, much like Linsanity did.
Speaking of, Jeremy Lin was a gigantic positive because it forced society to confront their own biases about how they treat Asian Americans. It was amusing to see the curtains pulled back on it.
First of all I gotta say thank you for doing this article. I was hoping you would. Secondly I hate the fact that they try to blame the whole situation on Hollywood. We know the asian audience isnt as big as some but like you said people have to break those barriers down. Gotta take charge of their careers and stop taking thos stereotypical roles and start doing more meaningful stuff. Also their own community has to be behind them which I pretty much know they are. And look at guys like Wong Fu Productions they are basically into business for themselves and they are making great strides. I think soon in the future this wont be as big of an issue because sooner or later asians will be doing great in hollywood. Im not saying its an easy road but I think they can do it.
U should be writin for asian american blogs :)
Not into slave labor.
There are careers out there for talented people that are actually rewarding.
“Aside from that, the money aspect of it is right on. While this is purely a matter of personal opinion, Asian men aren’t all that marketable. Yes, there are some very attractive Asian men out there, but I find that they are few and far between. When you think of a typical alpha-male figure, you think of a Caucasian individual. It’s how society has hard-wired us. And, to be quite honest, Hugh Jackman, to me, is a lot more good looking than any Asian man I have encountered.”
^^^^^^^^ THIS is the problem :/
The problem isn’t evil execs in their boardrooms seeking to perpetuate the image of Asian males as undesirable but the fact that so many people have been socialized towards that view over time due to inescapable factors; when you watch TV the lead is white, period.
I’m black. I honestly remember being younger and not being physically attracted (I am NOT exaggerating) to black men. I wasn’t consciously unattracted to them, just not attracted. When I compared photos of white actors and black actors, I always had an attraction [*feeling*] towards the white actor, but never the black actor…
I was just so used to seeing white men as sexually desirable that it was what I thought was normal; white men are sexy.
That changed as I grew older and was able to see PG13 and R movies. I eventually saw Will Smith, Denzel, etc and my view began to change naturally over time by being exposed to a wide range of depictions of non-white males.
Something similar happened when I discovered Kpop (I’d, quite literally, NEVER seen someone like Rain before) and have been obsessed ever since because – despite it’s flaws – provides me something I’d never get otherwise; an objective portrayal of [Korean] Asian men
And this is the issue, I think. Stop and think to yourself, how many times have you heard someone say “I won’t date an Asian guy…they’re just not attractive”
The most ridiculous shit ever. The US has one of the smallest markets for foreign media (movies, music, etc) and until people actively seek out alternative paradigms of sexuality, that’s not going to change. As of today, the gatekeepers are white, heterosexual males.
My point is that the perpetuation of this by the media is correlative, not a causation; people already accept this view because Asian men are underrepresented and that under-representation feeds back into the reinforcement of that perception.
Right, culture and society here sort of teaches minorities to hate themselves.
Interesting point about not being attracted to black men early on.
You encounter a lot of Asian American women who won’t even consider Asian American men, despite the obvious similarities in most everything else.
It’s truly odd.
“Probably about the same amount of Asian American athletic stars and Asian American CEOs of major companies as Asian American hunky lead actors.”
Jen-Hsun Huang, co-founded the NVIDIA corporation in 1993.
Jerry Yang, co-founded Yahoo! Inc. in 1994.
Hi everyone. My name is Yishan Wong, and this week I’m starting a new job. It turns out that this job is the CEO position at reddit.
Steven Shih “Steve” Chen is a Taiwanese-American internet entrepreneur. He is the co-founder and previous Chief Technology Officer of the popular video sharing website YouTube.
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There are more names out there. It’s not a whole lot, but it’s more than the one role Sung Kang played in Tokyo Drift that wasn’t a martial arts role in all of tv/movie history.
Right.
Only one of those guys is currently CEO and he was born in Taiwan.
Reddit doesn’t count. Seriously, it’s Reddit. :o
Point being that there’s a glass ceiling across the board, not just in one industry because there’s a conspiracy.
id fuck the shit out of will smith…just fyi
I never found him that attractive (I was the only one outta my cousins not staring at him during his shower scene in I,Robot) but uh… I will re-watch Fresh Prince over and over again and never getting tired of it
I hate to say this and come off sounding like a jerk, but when Americans think Asian American the first person that comes to mind is of course the master Bruce Lee.
what I would like to see as an non-asian viewer coming out of the Asian community is a new re-invented image coming from the Asian American community that can embodie all cultures respectively. while shedding the played out stereotypical version we are all guilty of being too comfortable with. in other ways look at it like this,to many Americans living in rural area and cities which are not a major metropolis were as Asian are ever present. Asian Americans are relatively new to the full spectrum of a mainstream audience here. much like us blacks Americans here its time for your community to start pounding its feet and raising the tone of your voices. Cause out here the squeaky wheel gets the oil. sorry if I might offend anybody ,lately my wife has been doing her best to educate me on Asian American social concern and topics…This is what happens when two culturally proud minorities marry ..LOL
Not wanting to make a fuss is one of the problems, yeah.
I sometimes wonders is Asian minorities or minorities when its benefits for them?
Asian pride themselves on academic and economic achievements when compare to other minorities. Thus giving the impression they don’t do without or rely on the U.S government for assistance.
When it comes to racial discrimination, hate crimes and injustice (stereotypical) images portrayed in American entertainment they are the minority again.
They have a right to speak up but in this day in age were race is becoming less of an issue has their time long since past?
If I recall Asian Americans have little face in or U.S history. Giving off that they didn’t do much therefor should accept they had less of a struggle compare to others.
But does this justified them to being constantly stereotype? American’s view on Asian will be the ‘final frontier’ that will break race relations between minorities and the majority also among minorities.
So because we work hard and make something of ourselves we don’t count as a minority?
In spite of all the shit we get, we’ve made something of ourselves as a group, that’s not a minus.
And please, Asians suffered a shit load in America. Railroad, internment, sex slaves, human dynamite…
A struggle is a struggle. There’s no more or less about it. Every minority that came to America was faced with an issue. Most of us took the path as doctors, accounts, etc etc because we want to make the best out of our lives. For our ancestors/families to get away from oppression from their own home countries to face with more if not worse, what would you call that? That goes with every race……Wait, Israelis (Jews) considered themselves caucasian right?
I meant *accountants*
oops meant to say *are in the beginning
Asian have pride themselves at being better and yet feel more close to white America for doing so. I stating what other minorities may feel when understanding Asians in the United States. Even our American history does not credit Asian and their contribution in the U.S. In fact it looks down upon the majority. Think of the railroad, it took those Chinese migrant workers decades after to be finally recognize. The relocation camps on Asian Americans during WWII I learn of this more on my own not from my own schools. Also the one of the found Black Panthers was Japanese.
I feel Asians get dog a lot but to many are willing while the ranting few wanna make a voice.
Note: I have family who serve in Vietnam Conflict and Korean war. We don’t think less of them in fact we want them to be more empower.
But is it possible in this day and age were ‘race’ is no longer or supposedly to be an issue?
I’m not honestly sure what you’re arguing here.
I wasn’t arguing just pointing out observation. But I do agree that Asian men deserve better representation in American entertainment. In this day and time I feel it would be rather difficult.
Using Black male actors as an example to show how one manage to overcome extreme prejudice is great. But Will Smith along with other Black actors male and female and even Latino must make the choice not to accept stereotypical roles.
Also there is a great deal of history behind black entertainment and how its rise to prosperity. It was a community effort.
I guess that sums it up best. Be willing to crawl before you walk or accept the scraps.
If that’s all they are offering, then you’re basically screwed.
America is supposed to be a “Melting pot” and Korea isn’t and that’s why it’s acceptable for some of them to complain about the lack of Asians in the American entertainment industry, but have 0 African Americans in their industry. I don’t know…
I guess in my mind, I think that you should do one to others that you’d want to be done to you. I mean, I do get what some of you are saying completely, Korea isn’t open minded when it comes to other races and they even JUST started to us more Caucasians in MVs, and even most of them are still mixed with some sort of Asian race, but, you can’t say “Stupid Americans. Not having more Asians on TV.” and then, turn around and be like, “No black people on our TV sows” or continuously do black face skits. It just doesn’t work that way.
And it’s not even just Korea that’s this way. It’s a lot of countries in Asia, however, from some of what i’ve seen, it seems to be that Korea is one of the most close minded when it comes to black people in Asia.
Why should black people or white people be on television in Japan or Korea though?
Those countries are like 99% Asian.
The issue is that they shouldn’t only show foreigners in a stereotypical manner.
Asians are only like 5% of the population in America, so it’s not that I think Asians should be flooding Hollywood, it’s that: 1) They are still being under-represented regardless (around 2%, last study they did) and 2) Most of their roles are stereotypical.
Similarly, Korea and Japan don’t have an obligation to use a ton of white or black actors because it wouldn’t reflect the reality of their situation, but they should be more mindful of how they are portrayed.
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