Comment Of The Day: You Don’t Understand Asian History Unless You’re Asian

Why do people say shit like this?

Nobody can ever understand the history of *Insert Nationality Here* unless you are *Insert Nationality Here*.

It’s the most banal and inane stance you can take, and it’s also completely false.

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The fact of the matter is that anybody can know more. There are a ton of non-Japanese and non-Koreans who know a shit ton more about Japanese and Korean history than people who are of that ethnicity. Why is that? Because being of a certain ethnicity doesn’t make one privy to secrets or anything. In fact, it probably makes those individuals more prone to bias because they have a vested interest in how their history is portrayed.

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You know who’s a perfect example of my point? Whoever it is that posted that comment in the picture.

As a person who has an education background partially rooted in Asian history, it’s amusing to watch these Asian Americans or Asian Canadians or Asian Whatevers rant on and on and on about how ignorant other people are about their history when they themselves don’t know shit.

1) The killing contest was actually in China, not Korea.

2) Japan has in fact apologized numerous times over the decades. 76% of Koreans acknowledge that Japan has apologized.

3) The rest of the Koreans have an issue with the veracity and sincerity of the apologies given to them by Japan, which is completely fair given how the Japanese government constantly changes their stance on the issue. Most of it depends on who gets elected in Japan, and things get especially heated if it’s a right-wing politician.

4) Besides the generalized animosity for multiple invasions and a litany of other issues, the primary problem with Japan now, or the hot button topic, is actually that of comfort women. Japan needs to own up to their role in sex slavery during the war once and for all in an apology to whatever extent Korea deems appropriate. They haven’t done that yet, or they waffle on their stance, hence the trading of barbs.

5) Yes, generally speaking, Japanese have a sense of superiority to Koreans … sort of like they do to the Chinese … like the Koreans do to the Japanese and Chinese … like the Chinese do to the Japanese and Koreans. Why? Because Asia.

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Of course, the issues of comfort women and other atrocities are not exactly one-sided affairs either, as the part you’ll never hear in one of these uneducated nationalistic jingoistic rants is the one where the Korean government sells out their own people, via The Chosun Ilbo.

During the normalization talks, the government hurried negotiations along in a bid to secure foreign capital needed for economic development, and it used the claims fund to push ahead with large-scale economic projects like the Seoul-Busan expressway and Pohang Iron and Steel. In other words, it sacrificed the compensation of individual victims on the altar of economic development.

Under the circumstances, that was unavoidable and for the benefit of the entire population. But now the government should endeavor to resolve the matter from a different perspective.

Japan meanwhile holds that its responsibility for compensation ceased with the settlement of negotiated claims, and our government has left a document acknowledging this. But the Japanese government, instead of insisting that, legally speaking, its responsibility toward Asian countries has evaporated, should reflect on its moral responsibility. That is what a lasting political solution must be based on.

So basically, the Korean government sold out the victims of Japanese imperialism because they wanted to rebuild the economy. Did it work? Obviously. But as the writer states, both countries hold responsibility for the current situation, morally speaking. Now will you ever hear this side of things from the government or media (same thing in Korea, really) in mainstream stories? Of course not.

Why? Because as I’ve said multiple times before, distracting the masses with groups (homosexuals/Muslims)/people (Japanese/Koreans/Chinese)/wars (Iraq/Afghanistan) is extremely beneficial to governments. Because if the people are focused on all those things, then the people will ignore how fucked up their own country is being run because the public is too busy complaining about another country.

Stay ignorant, my friends.

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My point is that Asians in the West with these dumbass attitudes of entitlement, like the commenter in question, do nothing to further the causes they are fighting for. This is especially true once reality reveals itself because then they look like arrogant dicks while simultaneously being wrong in every conceivable way. It would be comical if it wasn’t so sad that they end up doing the exact opposite of they intended. Worse yet, these Asians in the West aren’t even actually citizens of the countries in question, so they’re essentially being manipulated by a government ideology from thousands of miles away. Amusing.

As I’ve always said, and will continue to say, keep hating on each other Asians, because it’s exactly what your governments want. I hear blinders are fashionable nowadays. As for Asian Americans and others, continue to hold on tight to dumb views like the commenter in question and then wonder why Asians have no power in America and elsewhere. Because while there are certainly powers that screw us beyond our control, we do ourselves no favors by splintering our power into a million different factions after buying into the bullshit stemming from the countries of our ethic origins.

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62 comments

  1. ivancandymafia

    epic

  2. I play Dynasty Warriors. I think that qualifies me as an expert in Chinese history.

  3. thank you for that it was very informative. far as the comfort woman issue goes isn’t America a perpetrator of this as well?

    • Many countries pretty much did the same exact effed up stuff (and more) as Imperial Japan did. Japan did many disgusting things during WW2 but so did the US and other nations at that time and before it.

    • lol

      You know the reason America isn’t quick to talk about what Japan did?

      Because we excused their atrocities so we could take the research they did in Unit 731.

  4. War is war, it’s ugly, lots of innocent people die for the interests of minorities, and it just shouldn’t happen in this day and age.

    Who gives a fuck, past is past, learn about it and don’t let it happen again. Grandfathers and dead people did that shit following orders because their country tricked them into giving their lives for money or silly ideals.

    If two governments want to go to war give each president a gun and let them blow each other apart. Who stays alive wins the war, painless for the rest of the population, cheaper and more practical.

  5. 155 likes, yikes. I’m not Asian & I don’t claim to know history, but jebus, anyone can understand the concept of neighbours at war. That shit happens all over the world; Italians vs Portuguese, North Italians vs South Italians, South/Central America vs each other, East USA vs West USA (not sure if that is still alive). It’s sad all that crazy stuff happened, but why hold other people accountable for what their ancestors did?

  6. Oho~ Check and Mate.

  7. BaddestBitchHyorin

    You better fucking preach! Also China and Korea weren’t the only countries Japan had an “acquaintance” with in Asia either. How dare that bitch talking all that stuff “OH WOE IS US, WE BEEN THROUGH SHIT! YOU KNOWING ABOUT IT!” Bitch probably don’t know when the peninsula was under Japanese rule while typing that fuckery. And plenty of other people from other countries that been through those times pretty much knows how it is too, including my grandparents. Shit, bunch of fuckery wars been going on around them like Viet Nam and the Khmer rogue. Us and whoever didn’t existed yet at the time pretty much can’t imagine how was it like. But Thomas Hobbes over here talkin’ like she been shipped to Hiroshima to get gangbanged by the imperial army herself.

    I HATE it when people got that thick-headed bullshit they build up thinking everybody don’t know shit but them. STFU and have several seats.

  8. Yeah I was gonna say didn’t Japan apologize quite a number of times….? Anywho though people shouldn’t act like they’re an expert in their ethnicity/nationality’s history just because they are of it… Do I know & feel the struggle my grandmom, great grandparents and everyone in the Civil Rights Movement and during Jim Crow & Slavery? Heck no nor am I gonna act like I know exclusively just because I’m black (well, at least by American terms… not gonna get into that technicality stuff) And I can relate to how some people in an ethnicity groups (or just groups in general) have certain types of attitudes because sometimes… it makes me shake my head. Issues aren’t being solved and we just have outside people thinking we’re stupid ignorant dummies.

  9. I think America instigated the Korean. They intentionally left south Korea exposed knowing that Rhee and sung were hating each other

  10. emailing this to all of my relatives

  11. What an egotistical, ill-informed dick. Oh, I guess Korea and it’s people was the only TRAUMATIZED country to what happen during WWII and other episodes before and after it. My ancestors’ countries been through shit a lot too (The fucking unit 731 is in fucking China, outside of Harbin), but I guess they’re all weren’t Koreans so it wasn’t a REAL struggle for them. Who talks like that? If I ever sound like that and you guys witness it, you have my permission to take me down like they did to ‘Ol Yeller.

  12. Lmao this is why I don’t go on AKP anymore. I seriously can’t handle people like this.

    Five stars for a smashing article.
    ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

  13. I am not Japanese or Korean but I am an Asian. Between Japan and Korea, they have a longstanding history and relationship in the past since World War II.

    I cannot say who is right or who since I am not them and did not suffer like them, or maybe of their parents or grandparents, or great grandparents’ sharing.

    The world may see Asia as a whole but Asia is made up of many different countries, cultures and ethnicity, all with their own history and roots.

    I come from a country which is not long in historical roots. Our predecessors were immigrants from India, China and other parts of Asia. So where do we see ourselves? Do we link ourselves back to our country of origins or the new country which we are now part of?

    There is a sense of displacement, either we turn to rebelliousness against the larger society if we can’t keep up or we are caught up in the economic rat race to amass modern wealth and thus happiness and a sense of belonging.

    I would say to live and let live. Appreciate the ethnic differences, move on from the past mistakes that our predecessors in history have made… After all isn’t that how mankind as a whole progresses?

  14. nana-ate-my-nana

    Ah, i hate those people. Absolutely ridiculous. Silly young asian western kids..Its sad really.

    As you said, their being korean means they have a huge amount of bias against koreas enemies. People who are not korean can actually understand the history more clearly due to their objectivity.

    I know a bit about history..What Japan did in Asia was terrible but it was a very long time ago and for a 20 year old kid to hold a grudge against todays japanese is just moronic.

    PS, hyeri looks HOT AS FUCK in that shirt.

  15. Agreed with this article.

    Although your point about the contest is somewhat moot. I’m sure some Japanese soldiers during the first Sino-Japanese War probably held contests to see who could kill the most Koreans at one point or another. Everybody does it, that’s why we have Flying Aces and such.

    • nana-ate-my-nana

      Aces were those who shot down planes in fair combat. They didnt get that title for killing prisoners.

      Not everyone does it, lets not be silly. If everyone did it, it wouldnt be such an issue.

      • I wasn’t talking about prisoners specifically, just people (either civilians or combatants) in general.

        Oh, no, everyone does it. Two of my Marine buddies who got back a couple of years ago talked about the same sort of thing going on in Iraq. It’s not like Marines were executing civilians at random, but you bet your ass there were a few here and there who kept tallies of enemy kills with their friends.

        The same thing happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan, I’m certain of it. They don’t publish it or anything, but units and individuals would keep score. The issue stems from when news of this sort of atrocity gets out, where soldiers are treating human beings like sport. But the military encourages this sort of behavior, they want you to be a killing machine.

        • Of course people keep track of their combat kills.

          The point being argued is that the Japanese had a competition to see how many civilians they could cut down.

          Quite different and much more horrifying.

        • Yes, it was the “kamikazi” pilots, weren’t they? The Japanese soldiers’ mentality was total allegiance towards their emperor so if they failed in their mission, the sense of guilt and failure overwhelms them.

    • Pilots did that because it was their job and their skill was hyped.

      Much like the best snipers.

      If the pilots and snipers were murdering civilians, I’m sure we would look at them different.

      • I wasn’t talking about civilians specifically, I was pointing out that people keep score during combat. I know the comment was probably talking about butchering civilians though.

  16. Lol this guy talks like he’s speaking for every Asian that’s ever existed. What’s the point of saying that anyways? You’re basically saying anybody whose not Asian shouldn’t even try to be interested in Asian culture or history.

    • I am asian ..partly asian..well mixed asian with euro ancestor. I study histories and different cultures in school and some of my knowledge came first hand at home, but i’m not interested in Asian history in particular so what does that make me?It’s so moving that people are patriotic and all,but taking it to the extreme is such a delusional act.why become so sensitive when probably none of us here have been born during those times.

      • I meant the guy who made the original comment, JMaN91. Not IATFB, I agree with what he’s saying.

        • i know.,i reply to your comment because i agree with you okay! Extreme patriotism makes someone ignorant and take their ability to accept reasoning that contradicts to what they believe in.

        • okay scratch what i said earlier! the nationalistic part of me is now awake! even though my knowledge about history are probably incomplete,i will still hate chinese now! you do not mess up with someone else’s land/area just because you recently discovered it has some gold! everyone has to tend their own interest but you can’t bully someone to feed your own! I will agree to him now,it is really disturbing when you are the one involve and someone did wrong to you.

        • Nobody’s land is really ‘theirs’. If someone invades your country you fight back. If you lose, you lose. That’s the way the world worked since the beginning of time.

        • But i don’t want war.it is so gruesome and heartbreaking that’s why i consider them as stories and not become attached to it.It is modern times you know,we should have passed the uncivilized and barbaric ways our ancestors did in the past! we could have forget it if others act as an educated person and respect the law of the land.

        • There’s always going to be war. It’s financially beneficial. You seem pretty attached to me, just saying. Barbaric and ancient? Please, what’s more barbaric is thinking talking about ‘feelings’ is better. Educated people know that war is necessary, and the law of the land is: there is none. Nothing you supposedly ‘own’ can’t be taken away from you in an instant, so instead of talking about how it makes you feel, you fight back. If the world was perfect, yeah it would be possible. But it isn’t. So instead of shitting on your “barbaric” ancestors who have fought for your freedom, how about you learn some history first?

        • didn’t i said earlier that i know my history?I studied other Countries histories too! but i don’t claim i know it all since i know for a fact that shitty books and word of mouths are bias and stuff.are you sure your knowledge about a particular history-let’s say your country are complete?there is laws NOW,haven’t heard of it?laws was created to subdue the barbaric instinct of such people to abuse others. Educated people knows that there is a law! cavemen doesn’t.I’m not attached to others histories,I’m attached to my own since it directly affect me now!!!

          P.S.–i think my parents provided me enough education more than they provide for my shopping and spa visits so i am not dumb.

        • You know history. But not all of it. I’m informing you of a historical fact. Laws exist to protect the people of that country. However laws are made possible by governments. Goverment is made possible by people who fought to be able to run a country the way they thought was right. Example: Revolutionary War. Educated people know that freedom and independence are possible now because of wars. All of history affects you in one way or another. Not saying you’re dumb, I’m saying it’s disrespectful to say that war is “barbaric”, because you have people who fought in and died in wars to thank for the freedom you have. Are they barbaric?

        • i know history.but not all of it and so are you and the rest of us here!how sure are you that your knowledge about this is bigger than mine?you said i am dumb when you asked me to learn some history first!There is no need to always go to war!if that’s the mentality we should all possess then the guy JMaN91 shouldn’t be ridiculed here because he is just a patriotic and it’s good for the country because war is just normal event.if it is that normal,then let’s do it all the time,why wait for years?It would be financially beneficial?to whom? to the predator country.
          we live in a different era now!laws and boundaries are established,we acknowledge the existence of other races so we should respect each other. War developed atrocity and produce more JMan91.

          We just have a negative inclination about the word barbaric because we are living in modern times now.it is not disrespectful to say that ALL of the people who lived way before us are all barbaric and it is acceptable because they live from those times.But today?no!barbaric actions is ignorance and unacceptable because we have learned from our history So we know.

        • You most certainly know facts about history that I don’t know and vice versa. I didn’t say were dumb, Iif you were I wouldn’t be continuing to debate with you. When I said learn some history I meant go learn some history. Review your facts before saying that that nobody should “take” anybody’s land. You pick and choose your battles. War is not always necessary, sometimes it is. JMan is ridiculed because he’ssayinf you can’t understand something because you’re not from a different racial group. It doesn’t happen every month because congress has to approve it. Usually the president just goes ahead. Last “official war” was World War II, which got America out of the depression. It gives people jobs, revitalizes production, etc. etc. Laws have been established LONG before the informatiom age, we still have problems with race. There’s always been negativity, with or without war, and people like JMan exist because of the misconception that you have to be part of a certain to understand something or even comment on it. Barbaric is used to describe people who act on almost animal instinct, with a lower form of intelligence. That’s the connotation both then and now, so yes it’s disrespectful. It’s not barbaric, and will never be barbaric because it will be necessary at one point or another. If it was a perfect world, then war would have never existed. But it’s not. There will always be oppression and people fighting against oppression.

  17. I am interested in China history, as before their isolationist policy during the Ming dynasty, their culture, economic and war technology development were doing well. I am also intrigued by their war strategists and manuals.

    During university, I studied a year of American history, culture and literature.

    I see some westerners having an interest in China history and they are more well learned than me in these aspects, a predominantly “Asian” thing and that is encouraging.

    The world is only so small. I think we can all learn from each other.

  18. Interesting read.I think that is a problem a lot of people dont know their own history,or know bits a pieces. Nothing a book or google cant fix.

    • … or Wikipedia. :D

      • As much as i love the interwebs it can be unreliable especially wiki. So books would be the best bet.

        • nana-ate-my-nana

          I dont really get that line of thinking…Books are written by one person and their own bias is included within. They can write a book of total lies and biased opinions and it will still get published.

          At least with the internet and wiki, you can see popular opinion on that article. If something is fucked up on wiki, it gets changed. If something is fucked up in a book, you will never know unless you already know the facts.

          Thats why you need to review a number of sources.

        • TAKING INTO ACCOUNT A VARIETY OF PERSPECTIVES AND SHIT

          WHAT IS THIS FUCKERY

  19. This guy makes me sick. I’m not Japanese nor Korean and I know more about their history than him. How is he going to preach shit everyone already knew? He most likely just read an article about Japanese-Korean War, saw a few details and bam, thinks he knows everything about it. Not one thing did he mention I myself already knew. Fag.

  20. meh. i’ll hate japanese and chinese until i die.
    i wouldnt be doing my korean duty if i didnt.

  21. Korea is like Poland of Asia and even Poland would be like “Tone it down, bitch!”. Nothing’s worse than uneducated people using history to push their nationalistic/xenophobic views.

    • lol that comparison has been made in the past by my history teacher in school(korea).
      stuck between the two powers and constantly attacked by both sides.

  22. this article is so accurate! yes sadly a lot of people are misinformed but instead of learning about the subject more they go spread wrong information to everyone else and acting like they are right because they are asian like this person did -_- a few of my fellow asian friends do the same thing. also its dumb when people just believe these people because they are asian so they must have their facts straight (like how this comment got 155 likes).
    i don’t understand why this person thinks that only asian people can understand asian history when books and the internet sources on the subject are easily available to everyone. also i think not being asian probably would give a person a non-biased perspective on asian history so they can see things more clearly

  23. I hate how everyone on that page brings up the old wounds and all that as if it’s a good thing. >:[ Generally, that’s happening all over the place isn’t it? -sigh-

  24. Nationalism is so fucking stupid to begin with.

    The world would be so much better off if people just identified themselves as individuals rather than as part of some group or nationality.

    This guy sums it up pretty well:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4

    • nana-ate-my-nana

      It has its place. Remember that unlike the USA, Korea was destroyed only 60 years ago and it was a nationalist approach that rebuilt it.

      • I would say that North Korea is the more nationalist of the two Koreas.

        • nana-ate-my-nana

          Now it is, sure…but after the korean war? Both koreas were EXTREMELY nationalist..

          and thats not even important. we arent talking about which korea is more nationalist.

          South korea used nationalism to build itself up after the war. So it does have a place and is useful in some situations. Thats all im sayin.

  25. The Japanese fucked with pretty much everyone, it amuses me that they’re still bitter about it. Reminds me of the shit Americans said during the tsunami tragedy.

  26. Talking without knowing.

    Is allkpop community really like that? XD

  27. mybiasbeatsyourbias

    Well I guess I couldn’t understand suffrage or oppression of Asians since I’m not Asian? I’ve been told that by an Asian. Who couldn’t see the similarities between the Trans-Atlantic/American slavery and South Africa’s Apartheid period. Compare Japanese imperialism on Korea and China.

    This can also be said about WWII. Well just about every major war known in human history. Why does this Asian feel their history is extremely special or unique that no one non-Asian can understand?

    That this intense hatred and grudge between Koreans and Japans is so very unique. Oh god no other persons outside of east Asia every experience such denigration and diaspora of culture that will linger for many generations to come.

    That last sentence just explain the United States racial relations without the recall of historic events.

    Judging by the tone of the author in the quoted comment in the article above. This is the same attitude that many minorities have towards one another. Its some form a validation or a need to “hey my [insert ethnic culture] suffer more than [insert horrific event here]. Therefor you can never understand how I feel because I’m [insert ethnicity].

    Hey friend guess what I’m Puerto Rican. Who ancestors not only enslave Africans and natives of the island but also I’m a byproduct of those slave natives. So not only am I the evil veil people that created slavery but also its victim. Aint history a bitch.

    So how do I exert my racial bias attitude of victimization on to others who are not? t_t

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