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A significant part of the sex abuse scandal with Open World Entertainment revolved around the charges against artists under the label. Well, it’s recently been reported that the artists have been cleared of wrongdoing.
With Open World Entertainment’s previous statement fresh in our minds, it was now officially revealed that the boy group members allegedly involved in the case were cleared of all charges and assumptions made against them. While it was earlier mentioned that one of the members had been involved in the harassment since his teenage years, no mention of this has been made since and charges have been dropped. A representative of Open World Entertainment mentioned on behalf of the members, “They feel very intimidated because they say they haven’t done anything wrong, but the investigators keep picking on trivial things, and the media has been paying explosive attention to it. They just hope everything can be settled quickly.”
As many commenters from previous posts on this topic assumed they would be, the artists ended up being cleared of wrong doing, but with the way laws on sexual abuse are setup on Asia, there’s still no way of telling if they were actually involved or not.
People familiar with how things work in Korea know that sexual abuse can be excused for a wide range of things that would not be acceptable in the West, so as far as moral judgments go from our perspective, it’s difficult to tell between the truly innocent and the ones who just got off because the girls “wanted it” or one/both parties were “drunk” or the girls “didn’t fight enough” or whatever else.
Sad when being cleared of wrongdoing can’t actually mean a lack of guilt.
In other words: We are famous so stfu and look the other way so the money can keep flowing.
lol you call that famous?
Its more like ‘you are guys, they are chicks..you win’
God I hate this…it makes me so pissed off when I read about this and the fact that this kinda stuff is allowed to happened in the world, while at the same time who knows how much of it is true and how much of it is misinformation. There’s no point in getting incredibly pissed off about it now. But still, the possibility that it’s just as bad as it’s been described and worse, it’s human nature at it’s most disgusting. But again, nobody knows what really happened :/
It is sad that you can’t, you know, know. But I hate the assumptions. Men and women alike can be forced into helping abuse another person, and they’re victims too. People who say with certainty that these people are guilty piss me off.
Short of threat of physical violence, there is nothing that would force me to rape someone.
You might be a stronger person than some, or you might just not be thinking this entirely through lol.
I dont think so..
and its not just due to the moral issues either..its also because going to prison would fuck up my life more than anything else…its just not worth the risk.
so i get fired? still a million times better than being a convicted rapist.
you would do it to keep your job or something? really? to protect myself or my family from physical harm? yes…to protect my own current financial security? no.
Obviously in Korea, it’s not that big of a risk that you’ll go to prison for this. :X
But I give up, lol, you either know or you don’t know. I’m not a teacher, or even an activist any more. >>
Im not talking about koreans or korea, im talking about me…your point was a general one..
I’m not assuming either way, I’m just pointing out that them getting off on a sexual abuse charge in Asia means nothing as to their innocence or guilt.
I didn’t mean to sound accuse-y, the hate wasn’t directed at you.
Sadly, these boys can be cleared off all they want, but that kind of stuff you’ll never forget and can’t run away from. Not saying who did what, but of course they know what happened. There’s still a lot questions to be asked, but everything’s all “peachy” now, so……
It actually is something that will be forgotten and moved on from :o
Thanks for rephrasing my last sentence. But the people that were involved or had a connection with the scandal, I don’t believe it. Yeah you can move on and you can bury the resentment you’ll have for the rest of your life as deep as you can, but make sure not to let something or someone to dig it back up. I guess they’re living in the right society not to worry about that though.
Resentment? Who would the rapists resent?
Why it has to be only the rapists? The victims can’t have resentment? The people that were forced can’t feel disgusted for what they done even though they had the right to refuse?
You clearly werent talking about the victims..That wouldnt make any sense anyway because OBVIOUSLY they wont forget being raped…
and those that were forced to rape are still rapists..and theyve gotten away with it…if they actually did it of course :o
goddamnit i resent the fuck out of that guy for forcing me to fuck that beautiful 18 year old chick with the perfect body…OH THE HORROR!
@Nana How you know they enjoyed fucking the chicks in the first place? What if some were queer and it was sheer horror for them? Can’t really make justifications of matters like this that easily.
I wasn’t. Obviously I was talking about the people were force to assault the victims. Like Chang said, how you know that for sure? If they hadn’t done so, probably something would happened to them instead. It wouldn’t be FORCED if they wanted to do it in the first place when asked.
You people are hilarious….
Chang, have you ANY evidence or anything at all to suggest that any of them were gay? anything at all?
Queen, wait…so youre saying that if they didnt rape the chicks, they would have been raped themselves? You sure do have a vivid imagination.
You should be asking the same questions to yourself too boo-boo.
What? That doesnt make any sense..
-sighs- What I’m saying is, what evidence you have to your justifications to be only right and accurate?
@Nana Got any evidence that they’re not? You making it sound like this is some big orgy fest. If that’s the case, then there’s no victims, everybody wanted in, and the guys got their nut and girls got their cherries popped. The End. Idk it seems all three of us are on different pages also I’m a little tipsy, so I might forget this in the morning.
Queen,
You made a ridiculous statement, i asked what you are basing it on. The onus of proof is on YOU! it was your statement.
Defend it or retract it..or just call me a dick…but dont get stupid on me.
Chang, again, it was your assertion that they could have been gay. It is up to you to prove that…its not on me to prove they arent..
If i said they were actually japanese spies sent to korea to deflower innocent korean virgins because thats how the japanese roll…you would think i was crazy and ask me to prove it….but if i said prove they arent…you couldnt do it.
Lets just stick to reality here shall we?
and by the way, even a gay guy will get off by sticking his dick in a chick…the more you know.
Ok, now slow your roll right there with me sweety. My statement is basically me saying that there could be more back story to it than what it is presented to us from the media. NONE of us can’t give an exact conclusion to what happened because we weren’t there. Except we only put our best input about it from what’s given us.
Nobody is saying “It happened this so-and-so way, therefore I’m right.”…Except you. Really read people’s stuff before trying to bash on it saying that we know nothing and you are “the all knowing”.
Actually I havent made any definitive statements as to what happened. Ive simply been responding to your claims..
and sure, you phrase it as though its a ‘could be’ but it still needs to have some basis…some shred of proof to even suggest such a thing might have occured.
personally i only know what i read in the articles…that the idols have been cleared of charges..thats it. im not the one saying that the dudes would have been raped if they didnt do it…or that they were gay so must have hated it.
and of course you are suggesting that they did rape the girls despite having been cleared of all charges..
soooooooooooo……….
Oooo Ms. Bey calm down , you just had a baby. Think about Blue Ivy, Ivy Blue, whatever the hell comes first, idk.
@Nana Oh just end it, I didn’t see nothing wrong to any of your guys’ statements, but except of y’all having different views about it. It could happened this way, maybe it happened that way, who the fuck knows?
WELL, the charges are gone soooooo…..How about dat TTS mv?
Post a pic of your tits and ill deffo let it go :coold:
TTS?
@Nana If only I get dinner and a movie, then I’m all yours.
TaeTiSeo?
@Hyorin Netflix on my PS3 and McDonalds is enough?
who drops that kind of coin before seeing the tits?
ah, the subgroup thing? havent seen it..link?
@Nana; Hey, I’m was being generous and would give you pics of both sides of the border. Sounds like a good deal if you ask me.
@Chang How about you shove all of that up your ass sideways?
Considering that about 3 to 4 percent of the general population is homosexual, it’s reasonable to assume none of them were gay. Even more reasonable to assume that not ALL of them were gay.
As I’ve expressed before, anything short of physical violence and they don’t get off the hook for me.
I would gladly end my career in a certain field if the other option was raping somebody.
Well, they was being force to do the act, I don’t think it was rape. If they had the choice, and they did it to their own will, so yes, it is….Just leave it as just that.
^ Was a response to Nana
Right, but I’m saying that morally speaking, for me, anything short of him saying, “I’m going to kill you with this gun if you don’t do it” or “I’m going to kill your family if you don’t do it”, isn’t an excuse to rape somebody.
Hell, I’d much rather take a beating than do it.
So unless that’s the case, if these guys participated, they aren’t off the hook to me.
There is no accurate percentage of how many Koreans are homosexual. Only how many are ‘out’ homosexuals.
Nextly, there are other possibilities if you people think outside the fucking box. For example, threats against the boys’ families or girlfriends, or saying that they already had shit on the boys that could put them in jail – this type of shit happens all the time in all the world. You can say “Oh well that’s not good enough for me!” But some people in this world are pretty fucking weak, and aren’t these guys pretty young? If you disobey an older sunbae in Korea, that’s a big fucking deal and not easily done. And, if they were forcefully drugged, isn’t that exactly what was done to the victims? Just because someone wasn’t in the ‘dominant’ position, it doesn’t mean they were more the victims than the other.
I don’t know if they (the rapists) were victims are not, but there are TONS of possibilities as to why they could have been. TONS. The truth here, regardless, is going to be covered in a slur of lies. I feel kind of silly that I have to protect people from assumption.
.. again idols that I don’t even care about, na wae iraeeee
Some of us here deal in what we know…What the newspapers have reported.
Some of us apparently want to make up all manner of possibilities to excuse the actions of those involved.
The charges have been dropped. You dont need to defend them.
What you know.. what the media reported.. is that the idols were forced to do it. lol We just don’t know how.
Well what we know is that they werent. The charges have been dropped. They werent involved.
If they had of been forced into raping the chicks, more info would have come out by now..
oh…and yes, i do think its fair to say that the girls that may have been raped would have been more of a victim than the dudes ‘forced’ to rape them.
@KPanda Yes! Thank you! That’s what I really was trying to say, but I guess it won’t come out of me lol
I’m just dealing in reality.
There’s a percentage of the general population that’s homosexual, and unless you think they are well outside of two standard deviations, it has no merit to assume what you are.
I’m simply keeping things in the realm of possibility based on what we do know.
Oh, the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmM04_OgajU
Eh, Rihanna’s mv still kills it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBxt_v0WF6Y&feature=channel&list=UL
What’s that? She’s actually doing some sort of choreography? -GASP!-
I dont like it..
whole thing is meh.
id rape taeyeon of course..but id be wishing it was jisuk through the whole thing :/
Just a question, is this incident a big deal in Korea or the K-entertainment world? I remember when idols got into dating scandals and GD got caught with weed, shit was plastered everywhere, everyday on news sites. I feel like this situation isn’t as covered thoroughly or exposed regularly as it should be.
It’s not, because it’s not a major agency and sexual abuse isn’t a big deal.
Sweep, sweep, sweep those social problems under the rug.
Well since we’re all not sure what the real situation here is all we can do is speculate. Whether the boys were falsely accused or if what has been reported actually happened either way this whole situation is terrible.
Then again if the rapes did happen this should not be thrown out but thoroughly investigated.
I think the issue here is how they were “forced” to rape young girls. If they had a gun to their heads or the safety of their family was being threatened, that’s being forced. If they were being offered fame, fortune and a successful career, that’s not being forced, that’s entering into an extremely immoral exchange of their own free will.
Also, it doesn’t matter if they were gay, or they enjoyed it. The rape victim was still raped.
Can’t disagree with this.
Well…there are different levels of force.
If you dont rape that chick i will stab your mum in the face.
If you dont rape that chick i will fire you.
Both are forcing someone to do something..but one is exerting a stronger force.
I think it depends on your definition of forced. I think it’s putting someone in a position where they have very little choice other than to do what’s instructed.
The reality of a family member getting stabbed really leaves very little choice.
Being threatened with being fired leaves alot of room for choice. The boys could have said no, got fired and started another career, the only thing hurt would have been their ambition. But they chose to rape those girls rather than give up a shot at fame.
Exactly my thoughts on the matter ^^
How does the penis react on this matter? Does it get aroused in a threatening situation too? I thought it can’t be forced to erect? but i’m probably wrong since I’m not a man.So guys?does it?If it doesn’t then we can assume that the girls performed or asked/forced to perform things to aroused the guys.if that’s what happen, then these guys have a solid excuse right?
Despite what some believe, a mans penis does not control him.
It depends on the situation i guess…if someone has a gun to my head and is telling me hes gonna murder me if i dont rape some chicks, the pressure might make it tough for little nana to get hard..
what if the girls they asked you to victimized “touch” you? would your nana react to them even if they were forced to do it?
Yes, its an automatic physical reaction….Unless my body was undergoing extreme stress(ie thinking im about to die)..in which case it might not.
but in most cases, yes..
well, if that was their reaction at that time too, then these guys are really have an alibi.tsk..given the fact they were young and they weren’t thinking maturely enough for that situation,..yahh they have a strong argument..
Not really..
a hard dick does not make a rapist..
Not saying they should be off the hook though, basing on what you said that “that” is men’s nature, it validate’s a fact that they can use the victim card too..despite the argument that man’s penis doesn’t define the man.It would be man’s primal instinct versus man’s ideology.
Please, just stop.
You are completely and utterly wrong on this.
but you gave that impression..
No i did not.
I described basic physical function. You are essentially saying that every man is a rapist. That no man can control their body and must rape when they become aroused.
Its silly.
i don’t say that it is right,i don’t think it’s right either! what i am saying is this could have been their solid excuse.does the post above stated why they were off the hook?
No, it wasnt their excuse.
It didnt even go to trial. There wasnt enough evidence to show that they even raped anyone at all.
because they have an alibi whatever it is!and the police bought it!so if this not it,then good,,
To be fair, that type of thing has been used as an excuse in the past.
However, it’s unfair to assume that’s what happened based on what we know.
The fact that a rapist was able to get hard is not an alibi or an excuse. All rapists get hard, that’s how they rape.
- What makes you so sure that they were in a threatening situation (the guys at least).
- the penis can erect in all kinds of uncomfortable, awkward situations.
-The fact they got hard in the situation does not mean we can ASSUME the girls were somehow complicit.
- If the girls were FORCED to commit sexually arousing acts upon or in front of they boys, that would be part of the sexual assault.
- As Nana stated above, a man is not controlled by his penis. When a penis is erect a mans brain is still functioning and his legs are perfectly capable of walking away.
I’m not sure they were in threatening situation.Are you sure they are not?these were all assumptions here.I’m not a guy so the only idea I have is based on what I am familiar with.And i really think what they did is awful too.that’s why I asked what would probably the reaction of the guy regarding that.
Whether this case is presented in court or in public trial,the truth that will be accepted is the truth that has a concrete evidence and valid excuse/alibi. I don’t say they were innocent,it’s far from that!I’m just saying they have a solid excuse that will be hard to contradict or nullify.It is not about feelings here!justice is not about emotions!This is not about our emotions!
I’m not sure that they were not in a threatening situation, but then again I didn’t claim to be.
I find myself confused as to this ‘solid excuse’ argument. You have been told by two people (who are more knowledgable than you claim to be), that the fact a penis is erect doesn not mean a man is no longer capable of controlling his behaviour. And that a man is capable of becoming erect is stressful circumstance.
I agree this isn’t about our emotions, or us. I’m sorry if the above post came off as aggressive or angry, I didn’t intend it to be. I just simply refuted what I thought to be silly and ill-informed assumptions one by one.
It didn’t come to me that your’e opinion is aggressive.Everybody is entitled to voice out their opinion. I agree of your statements,,I feel the same way too.I’m just guessing why these guys have been acquitted?what are their possible excuse? it is a highly patriarchal society so they give more priorities to men than women.
@doesitmatter O_o Who said that? Yeah, that is a weird way to put it, but idk who got their dicks got into the subject anyway lol. Okay, let’s say the dicks are hard, but that’s not the point, the point is did they wanted to fuck the girls or they HAD to in order to give the nasty bastards to jerk off to and to continue to be a famous idol?
There’s too much shit to be asked about this fuckery, but now “Welp, the charges are dropped, so….OOOH WELL!” I can understand why some of us are confused and why there isn’t more info than what it been put out.
What mystery that NEEDS to be solved is, WHERE’S THAT FUCKING SEX TAPE AT?
@doesitmatter Scratch that scratch that scratch that part…What if:
“Hey I want to fuck these chicks.” and the boys were like, “Well, Idk, do they want to do it?” “No. But I want you to do it to them anyway.” “Oh……Okay!”
or
“YOU BETTER FUCK THESE GIRLS NOW, OR FOREVER BE NOBODY!” “But, I DON’T WANNA” “YOU BETTER! AND I EXCEPT TO HAVE A SHOW! WHAT’S IT GONNA BE?” “I…NO! They don’t deserve to be violated like that!” “THEN I’LL JUST PUT OUT A FALSE STORY TO RUIN YOUR FAMILY!” “Leave my family out of this!” “THEN DO IT!” *looks at the girl* “I’m sorry!”
Oooo I should write fanfics!
*you
why-is-it,
remember that theres an equal chance that the idols did absolutely nothing. were not involved in any rape and that was just a lie put out by the CEO or whoever..
its not fair to assume that they raped the girls but are getting away with it
JUdgement are not about what you and i think and feel,it’s how great the defense or the offensive part will be.
P.S. i’m not mad when i used ! I just like using it instead of period..peace up!!
Shit, I wish I get this much heat in my site. Gotta start putting more stuff in it though.
Hi I am new to site but lots of interesting articles being discussed.
I am not living in Korea but I find it hard to believe that South Korea is such a patriachial society today, where women still do not have much options.
Such scandals in the entertainment world must be everywhere, are they more in K entertainment or roughly the same as everywhere? Do people get away with it more in Korea than elsewhere?
The more one-sided the gender politics are, the more frequently this will go on.
It goes on everywhere, it just happens more often in Asia because the gender politics tilt heavy to one side.
Hi
Thanks for replying. Btw I would like to say I enjoy your site which is a mix of electic K entertainment news and social commentaries/ discussions on popular culture. Thoughtful and generates lots of energy from your readers!
I am living in Asia but I do not feel the gender inequality so I was surprised when I read about S Korea. I thought that the music, image, etc is hip and trendy, and the girls sexy, I assumed that naturally they are open minded too.
In Asia where I live, I do not feel that women are worse off. Except maybe a guy in the same job might earn a couple of hundred dollars more than a female in the same job, I do not feel that women have less opportunities or options than men.
But this is just my opinion becos different parts of Asia might have different experiences.
I think a couple hundred is a lot to be honest…
Being the nosy broad I am, mind I ask where you live? :)
I don’t know where you live, but it’s certainly not equal in Korea and Japan.
It’s not even close.
I live in Singapore, not sure if you have heard of it.
I think we are quite westernized here.
Girls get equal schooling opportunities as guys, career choices, usually work in similar level jobs as men. We have female politicians and CEOs of companies too.
@ bb2, sorry maybe I wasn’t clear. A couple of hundred translated is about 2% higher annual salary. Besides the guys lose out because after graduation, they have to serve 2 years of compulsory military duties before they start work.
I don’t speak in a subservient manner to men, they are equals, partners.
Never heard of it? Sheeeit, I’m from the country above it. Nice place. You guy’s laws are strict though. I don’t know how are they enforced but the rules and regulations I been hearing over there is crazy. I guess it wouldn’t be one of the world’s place with the least crimes and stuff without a reason.
Hello… hello… Yeah, I’ve crossed over to your country on weekends many a times… :-)
It’s amazing that many on this site are living in US now.
I couldn’t imagine living so far away on my own…
I think you guys are great and brave.
I can’t speak on Singapore, I know little of the country.
I know that equality is not the case in Korea and Japan.
So I guess the solution would be to offer more positions in politics to women? I think changing people’s views with pop culture is just as powerful too.
Pop culture in Asia is reinforcing those views though.
You have women who slave away and are strutted out there in little clothing by older men who own them.
The solution is some type of movement, which I doubt is going to happen at any point soon.
Why would they? The governments have them too busy hating on other Asian countries.
Yes, but the entertainment industry is a sexified industry anyway.
You have girls wearing scantily clad clothes but the guys are selling their “sex appeal” as well.
So I would think that that is the mode for both genders.
Of course, in the above scandal case, the girls have more to lose out than guys.
Men aren’t shamed by that image though. Women are.
Furthermore, most of the CEOs/managers/agents are not women, so you can guess which direction the abuse slants.
It’s true what you say.
Men aren’t shamed by a sexy image. If anything, it boosts their ego.
I am inclined to agree with you that women have the shorter end of the stick.
The dichotomy is that:
1. Men want women to be sexy, but if a women is too sexy or sexy to many guys, she is termed a slut.
2. Some men at the same time as (1) also prefer pure, decent girls.
The way for women to counteract this is:
1. Be an attractive women. Attractive women can get guys to willingly do things for them.
2. Be financially independent when you grow up.
3. Be confident and like yourself! Positive vibes.
Right, but that plan is hardly realistic for normal women.
The fact that you need to be attractive and/or talented to live a normal life in Asia is hardly ideal.