Analyzing Analysis: allkpop asks why K-pop fans can’t unite as one, I have an answer

I stumbled upon this op-ed from allkpop recently, and it was interesting to see the reactions to it from readers.

The writer of the article seems new to the K-pop world, and he’s basically just asking a question more than making an argument, so there’s no reason for me to critique it harshly or anything, but I do think there’s a rather obvious answer out there for him.

With the genre on a higher platform than ever, this month could be crucial to gaining new fans and supporters. Sharing music and performances that you enjoy and show the high quality of K-pop (regardless if you’re a fan of that actual act) will only help further strides for K-pop in your country and make it more likely for you to see your favorites in concert or on your local iTunes. There’s always going to be fights between fanbases of the artists, but it seems to make more sense that the pop fans of Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Beyonce fight each other when these artists have conquered almost every territory. K-pop artists always appear so civil and supportive of each other so why do the fans act differently with these infamous “fan wars”?

Perhaps there are deeper problems in the genre. As fans, we cannot deny feelings like certain groups were robbed of winning music programs. But is there also a reason to bicker over it? At allkpop, I see the readership as being in a very unique position to help break K-pop to Western countries, in particular America with the largest music business worldwide. I am inspired by the position allkpop finds itself in and am excited by the prospect of bringing some of my viewpoints on this platform.

For me, the answer is simple: International K-pop fans have no vested interest in promoting Korea’s economy and culture.

For all intents and purposes, the Hallyu Wave is a brand, and the interested parties in its success are the companies, people, and government of Korea. It makes complete sense, of course, because those are the people who stand to gain the most — through money or pride or recognition — should K-pop gain mainstream acceptance in the West. Everybody else? Not so much. Sure, there are the occasional Koreaboos who think they are Korean and worship everything Korean, much like there are weeaboos for Japan who think Japan is the best country on Earth or whatever. However, the majority of fans are just into K-pop, and more importantly, just into their favorite K-pop groups/idols, not the totality of what it’s supposed to represent.

Speaking for myself, I honestly don’t feel any vested interest in whether K-pop as a movement makes it in America, because at the end of the day, it’s still pop music. Even if it becomes the social norm in the West, it’s still embarrassing to admit you listen to it fervently as an adult. Even if K-pop dominates the Billboard charts in the United States, admitting I listen to BoA at the gym while doing power cleans still wouldn’t be the social norm, not any more than saying I listen to Carly Rae Jepsen‘s “Call Me Maybe” is now. I would get weird looks either way, so there’s no advantage in it from my point of view. Do I care what people think? No. Will it change anything? No. So again, what’s in it for me?

A selfish outlook? Sure, but humans are generally selfish creatures, and as international fans, what advantage would we derive from having K-pop succeed in America? If nothing, then you won’t see people banding together to promote every group that’s associated with K-pop just out of the kindness of their own hearts. Personally, I couldn’t care less, and if the prospect of K-pop conquering the West didn’t improve the reach and scope of their potential ad viewing audience, I don’t think international K-pop sites would either.

Perhaps K-pop fans, you feel different, but should we not pull together positively so that our favorites have the opportunity to tour Asia and beyond? If K-pop as a genre can make further strides, if one succeeds, this means all acts will be in a better position to break other countries. When I look at other great Op-Ed pieces on the site, for example about the lack of Asian males in Hollywood, I think we all on some fundamental level, feel the same and ultimately have the same goals for this music we enjoy so much.

No, no, no, no, nononononononono. I just think this lacks a general understanding of how fans everywhere work and why they do what they do.

Fan is short for fanatic, which implies a lack of logical or reasonable thinking.

What the author suggests is simply not how fans have ever operated and I see no reason that would change now. One could make the same argument in regards to K-pop for conquering Japan as well, and we have already seen how that has played out among the fandoms, right? Constant fighting about who outsold who, about which group has the most advertisements, and who wins the most utterly meaningless popularity polls.

As I said, there will always be those who will fight for the whole of K-pop, but will the great majority give a shit if their favorite group gets left behind in favor of their rivals? Fuck no, they’re not supporting groups they have dedicated their lives to hating just for the spirit of it. I would further a guess that if it’s between their most hated group succeeding in America or K-pop not making headway at all, most fans would rather they all fucking bomb just so that the rival fandoms wouldn’t have the upper-hand in the arguments to come.

And why do those fanwars have to happen? Again, fans LIKE the genre of K-pop, but are in LOVE with the idols and/or groups, not the Hallyu Wave brand itself.

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Furthermore, it’s dubious at best to say that getting a group or two to become a hit will lead to further acceptance of Asians overseas.

We would all be better off to remember that this isn’t a political movement, and that it would be beneficial to stay away from comparing commercialization to social change. Using this economic venture as a rallying point for Asian American identity and equality is absurd. Sorry, but foreign robots from overseas aren’t going to change shit for Asians internationally. Hell, if anything, imports from China and Japan in the past have created the stereotypes that we have to deal with today, so I think anybody with hopes of a revolution along those lines is barking up the wrong tree.

Seriously though, stop attempting to say that Asian pop will make a difference for Asian Americans.

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Anyway, that leads us back to the start of this post: “Why can’t all K-pop fans just get along?

Because all of us putting aside our own personal likes and dislikes requires something with actual substance to rally behind. Unfortunately, at the end of the day, the Hallyu Wave is what it is. It’s an economic movement for a foreign country, it isn’t a social cause or a cultural shift, so why would we sacrifice our own personal feelings for it? So that companies, ones that many fans already resent for working their biases until they die, can get richer?

Yeah, I’m gonna take rain check on that, and it seems most others already have.

70 comments

  1. MotherMonster

    “Call Me Lately” lol

  2. I hate when people label I-fans and K-fans. Because most times I find it that k-fans so to speak are trying to keep ups i-fans out of things. For instance when something goes down with a group and were trying to show our support they say things like “what do you know about it you don’t live here or I put my money into the fan club” well guess what honey we would do if you give us one we could understand we take time out of our schedules scoping out the internet just to find subs to laugh along with our favorite groups. Our time is invested in groups just as much as yours even though we don’t speak the language. We spend our money it just as much as they do when nowadays most people can just download and burn a cd. Also another factor is fan girls or fan boys saying they don’t want a certain group around their oppas or noona’s. That starts many fights.

    • What does that have to do with this post?

    • Yes. K-fans are quite harsh. I noticed too, that when a group had just debuted, fansites will whore around and accept everyone but when the group’s popularity peaks they will shit on you and shoo you away. smh. I’m glad there are still some accepting fansites (but mostly because they’re trying sell stuff to you) There was a k-primadonnas vs i-primadonnas tweet war on my time line a few days back lmfao.

    • Lol idol fans of any type are stupid.

    • I apologize for my lack of knowledge but what’s an i-fan? Apple fan?

    • Another Account

      What lol? How is it everyone else comes across Korean K-pop fans but me?

      • Be glad you haven’t run into them. They can be pretty pretentious and hypocritical but hey, what can you expect from a Kpop fan.

        Also the bitch fights between ifans and kfans are ridiculous.

        • Probably… I wonder if these obsessions could be related to emotional imaturity which becomes a huge issue if kids were taught to compete with others since an early age.

        • Another Account

          I’m mad. I want to laugh. The most I’ve ever seen is when Japanese fans started posting on international J-Pop fansites about Akanishi Jin and his love of taking drunk photos with foreigners (when he was living in America). That was hilarious. You guys get to have all the fun.

    • My understanding is that Korean fans dislike international fans because international fans have more freedom to pirate shit.

      Piracy = Stealing
      Stealing from an idol = “You are a shitbag.”

      And both international and Korean fans are VERY protective of their oppars and unnirs.

      It’s not like their prejudice against international fans is unjustified… I mean, I can see where they’re coming from. A lot of high school students in Korea work crappy part-time jobs just to buy concert tickets and albums (since catching people who pirate shit has become 200% easier since they government started doing the Big Brother thing with the Internet there).

      On the other hand, international fans illegally download tv shows, albums, pictures, music videos and post them on streaming websites—that happen to profit from every click made—without having to pay a cent.

      There are some international fans who actually buy shit from Soribada or whatever, but the vast majority don’t and they use excuses like “I’m still in school” or “My family is poor” to justify their behavior.

      I guess they figure, if Korean fans can manage to find some crap job AND balance school for the sake of supporting their favorite artists, excuses like those don’t hold any water. And that can also translate into the belief that Korean fans do all of that simply because they care MORE about idols than “random internet fans”.

      Well, this is what I’ve gathered from forums and stuff. /shrug/ I get it. I don’t necessarily agree with their prejudice, but I don’t agree with all the pirating some i-Fans do and their pathetic justifications.

      /endrant/ ;]

      • Uh … part of the reason they need Japan is because Korea pirates all their shit.

      • Another Account

        Not buying that excuse since (1) these K-pop artist aren’t selling records like they should in Korea. Koreans have superior interwebz and they use it. (2) I’ve had friends get K-pop merch from Korea while they were there and a lot of that crap is cheap. (Tour items are a biotch though) (3) There was an article that mentioned how Japan is majority of their sales so….

      • But I download all my TV Shows from korean sites. 90% of them now are from DCinside :o

  3. Whatever, I don’t understand why people take kpop and stuff so seriously. It’s one thing if your job is in the industry or something, but if you’re just a fan who listens to it, chill a bit.

  4. For me is a low-self esteem thingy, these kpop hardcore fans take their idol success and make it their own, they live through their idols and bark at whoever poses a threat to that “sacred bond”. And that’s what kpop is about, rather than the music, you’ll love oppar/unnir and do whatever it takes to make them success, because their success is your success

    *I had to comment something so my name-link would change ^.^

  5. Too deep in the forest to see the trees. They think life revolves around pop culture, so expectation is everybody to care as much as them. I only care about Nana and the likes and my friends either only care about certain groups or are like me.

    Most would rather see it all burn than have SNSD or Super Junior be our representative. Movement? Mreh. People take this shit too seriously.

  6. Haha I commented on this on Allkpop when it came out. I totally agree on this, it is embarrassing to listen to kpop in front of my friends even though I’m female because all they know is Lil wayne, jay-z, and all the other *gangsters*. So once I bust out an SNSD, T-ara, Suju their like wtf are those things, lol, or their gay blah blah. (not my biases but they have some of the most ridiculous songs and lyrics).

    Anyway, another reason why it is impossible for kpop fans to friends is because of the whole promotion thingy. Idols have to compete so they can win music shows, awards, and spaces on broadcast. The way these idols promote is like watching a sports game fans also get real competitive. Anyway, no one has shit on Big Bang. Author, I would like more articles on big bang please, lizzy isn’t as hot as GD or Top :)

    • Well I don’t want this site to become infested with VIPs. Worst fandom ever… Just go to Bigbangupdates if you want that kind of Big Bang worship and coverage.

      • No, worst fandom goes to Little Monsters. Some Lady Gaga fans are insane. They think Gaga is a reincarnation of Jesus Christ.

      • *gasp* how dare you Sones and Elfs are the worst… who cares tho…I like big bang but not enough to join their cult

        • ThatTealChick

          I agree. bb2, have you seen elfs/sones?
          Worst fandoms. I swear to you, VIPs and blackjacks are bad too but, but I have to say that elfs/sones take the cake for most ridiculous fandoms.
          They are crazy. It’s ridiculous how many “fights” I’ve been in with delusional sones/elfs and even I remember this one time I said that I didn’t like Taeyeon’s hair on akp. I got cursed out by a bunch of 12 year old idiots. I also got called me fat, ugly, bald headed (LMAO), ect.
          Eventually, I just said “meh” and joined in the “fun” by trolling all of them, which of course, made them even more mad. ^.^

        • Well I consider them all bad. VIPs and Blackjacks can be, and often are, just as annoying as the rest of them. Every time I visit a 2NE1 video I see the top comment relating to some argument about Sones. It’s happening more with VIPs nowadays, except they fight a lot between themselves. Lol pathetic.

          Kpop fans in general are immature and delusional. So I don’t give anyone excuses just because they stan YG or something.

      • @ThatTealChick

        I think many kpop fans like to start “fights/drama”, because their lifes are boring. They need something to keep them entertained and busy…

  7. Fan wars exist because so many stupid people like Kpop for so many stupid reasons. Nearly everyone is like,”OMG, B-Lah is SO FUNNY!!! It doesn’t matter that they are acting differently on camera or that producers edit the shows so we can like the band!!!! Plus, they’re SO CUTE!!!! That’s reason enough to blindly love everything that they come out with, even if it’s awful!!! And don’t say that they aren’t talented- they trained for SEVEN YEARS to perform at a mediocre level…. BUT THEY TRY AND STRUGGLE to be better!!!! I admire that so much!!!!!”

    -_-

    I swear to God, if people listened to Kpop for the music, only five bands would survive. I can only wish

    • Everything would be fine if they didn’t get emotionally attached to them.

      • These fans think that the Kpop idols are the future mother/ father of their baby….. And doesn’t idol mean “false God”? Really applied in the Kpop with the way people worship these people and act like they’re better than others because they “say thanks” when accepting awards -_- please, they’re one camera, what should one expect other than the best behavior? -_-

        And lol, I’m seeing a conversation about worst fandom-
        Definitely goes to nearly every band that SM has ever pumped out. Those people are only there for looks and “real” and their fans like them for that. 2pm’s fans suck too. Along with 2pm.

  8. And because most Kpop fans only like Kpop because they want to make babies with their noonas/ oppas -> jealousy -> fan wars

  9. Well if kpop does ever get accepted in the U.S., would it still be kpop? I’m pretty sure all the groups will sing in English, right? It’s just pop not really kpop.

    And I know they’re are some fans that don’t want kpop to be famous/accepted. They’re just like those people that like certain no name bands and don’t want anyone else to know about them… like it’s some secret cult and they and a select few should know about it.

    • Can’t really think of a Western pop group that does combos of aegyo/cutesy shit and mixes that with hardcore training and synchronization.

      Unless they completely scrap that, it’ll have K-pop left in it.

      • Yeah, people usually don’t like it when artists are trained for years and years. We (western people) expect them to come out being talented, not trained like robots.

    • Yeah around here we call these people “hipsters.” I think that kpop (and bacon) are the only two things where I actually have worried a little at times for it becoming “too popular” (and therefore risk being a kpop hipster). Let me say that I am white, only speak English, and my actual cultural knowledge of most Asian countries is somewhat limited; but I like that they mostly speak and sing in Korean. I like that they act Asian as shit. It’s endearing and different. I don’t want American trash ruining a “good” thing (like the rise in obesity in Japan correlated with the number of f’ing McDonald’s opening up). Back to the topic though I do find it a little surprising how many fanwars there are, but it seems that the korean music industry likes to pit groups against each other in these constant music show contests… do they do that here in the US? Like, TaeTiSeo won 5 awards in like a week, right? Why are there award shows seemingly every day? (I don’t keep up with them but this is my sense.) That, and the amount of effort the companies put into having fans “buy into” the idols themselves, beyond just their music, seems to make the music scene suddenly both very competitive and very personal for spectators.

      • America doesn’t really have an idol culture, in general.

        Our idols are different.

        By the way, American “trash” is already a gigantic part of K-pop and a reason why it’s so popular internationally.

        • That’s fair… I’m not sure, actually, specifically what either of us means by American trash. But i’m willing to believe that. Rapping, often in English, is probably a good place to start. Rap and hip hop can have deeper social messages, but kpop generally doesnt go very “deep” so it does become superficial flash – it is pop after all.

          By the way i’m not deluded to think that kpop is somehow more pure or real than music or pop from other countries. It seems to actually be less organic since it does seem that ghost writers and companies do more of the song writing and production in kpop than American pop (“manufacturing”).

          Hey but about those shows/contests, do they really have like everyday?

        • Musicality, fashion, choreography … basically everything is Western influenced.

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          I would argue Korea and Japan are far more into the whole artificial idol shit than America is though.

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          They don’t hold those performance shows every day, but like 4-5 times a week.

  10. icrawledoutofthesea

    It is not just K-Pop fans but all elitist fans of music or movies or anything that get all snooty and like to think that they are superior because they discovered it first or because they “get it” on a level that you clearly don’t because you are too superficial or some other bullshit.

    For a large portion of my teenage years and twenties I was really into rock and punk and the fans are really just the same as the k-pop fans. I used to get loads of rude comments about how I didn’t belong at the show because I hadn’t died my hair black and dressed in a bin liner.

    • Couldn’t agree more. I was on the youtube comments section for ‘The 2nd Law’ album trailer, and all there was were comments by elitist fans, half saying ‘you’re not a real fan if you don’t support them!’ and the other half saying ‘you’re not a real fan if you blindly like everything they put out!’. I can stand this when it comes to kpop because I expect quite a few fans to be 10 year old fangirls, but old Muse fans arguing relentlessly over an album that hasn’t been released? That’s just disappointing.

    • Yes. It’s not just in Kpop it’s everywhere so sometimes I don’t really get why people say kpop fandom wars are the worse, it doesn’t even compare to American pop acts/band fandom wars.

      The thing is, everyone thinks their taste is better than the other’s so if you bash something they like, they feel like you’re bashing your taste/opinions.

      • Pop music fandoms are worse than most others because they typically involve young and stupid teenagers who don’t know how to express themselves intelligently.

  11. kpop fans only support their idols not Korea or Koreans
    Just like me and you will support the new dal shabet single Mr Bang Bang I know you watching this video 10x a day just like me because we are hardcore dal shabet fans I cant wait for your review

  12. I wasn’t even familiar with the term “anti-fan” until I discovered K-pop.

    I know there are “haters” of all sorts. But it seems like K-pop anti-fans are a special breed.

    I’m basing this mostly on anecdotal evidence, but it seems to me that the hard-core “anti-fan” is something more prevalent in Asian cultures.

    Somewhat off-topic but related, I read a scary article recently in Wired magazine about the Korean rapper Tablo. Basically describes the nightmare he went through in Korea with people trying to destroy his life for no rational reason at all:

    http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/04/ff_koreanrapper/all/1

    • Yep that Tablo shit was crazy. If Kpop was more of a culture movement than economic… it might be a bad thing for SK. What people do in the West greatly contrasts what happens in the East and the country and people might’ve been looked at as even more rigid and crazy. I think it’s best if kpop stays in Korea w/ only a select few crossing over occasionally.

    • The level of emotional investment is higher because of the way the schooling systems are setup in Asia.

      :o

      Breeds irrational love/hate.

      • Can you clarify that more? Do you mean that because Asian schools are so intense and students are so invested/obsessed about grades, it translates to delusional obsession and love for idols?

        • Human relations could be damaged if you think everybody is a potential competitor. Unfulfilled expectations become pesonal defeats.

          About Tablogate, the cousin thinks Tablo is a usurper of his spotlight.

        • Lack of an active social life outside of school leads to attachment to idols, IMO.

          That’s why you don’t see this proliferation of idols in the West.

          Teen stars? Yes. Idols like Justin Bieber (and even he’s starting to push it)? No.

  13. Another Account

    I don’t promote shit I’m not being PAID to promote.

  14. laudenamberuan

    I have to say, Mr Simple is on all mainstream radios of Argentina, and I was happy when I first heard it, I don’t really care about Super Junior or their music, but I was like, hey, they are real, and they can actually be liked by normal people, so I was happy about that. Now, from that to promoting groups I don’t care about because they are k-pop, or not shutting someone who’s saying stupid shit up because we’re both k-pop fans.. that’s silly, fan wars will always exist as long as fans exist, in sports, in religion, in all things that have fans

  15. The worst part about international fans(especially in America) is that they think K-Pop is different from Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Beyonce etc.. I can’t understand the mentality of these people who call American pop artists worse than k-pop artists when in reality, it should be the other way around.

    • Nothing is that different it’s all just pop music. But Gaga actually writes her own songs and arranges, and designs many of her outfits which is more than I can say for any kpop idol.

      • icrawledoutofthesea

        I think the main difference is that if you live in a Western country like I do, you will have Gaga, Bieber and Beyonce shoved down your throat on a daily basis (everytime I flick through the tv channels to see what’s on I always catch one of those three dancing around in their pants). As kpop is not popular here, I can decide what I listen to and when, and if I hate something I never, ever have to see it again.

        If I was in Korea all the time, I think kpop would start to get on my tits too. I was in Korea last summer – about 95% of the shows on all the channels seemed to be based around kpop or k-dramas. All the shops were playing kpop. There are so many posters of Jo Kwon in Seoul Station you’d think that he owned it. I’m sure if there was serious stuff for grown ups, but it must have been hidden somwhere.

        • Korean public has started to turn to the indie scene as it is.

          :o

          Funny though, I’m never sick of people like Gaga, B, or Bieber, just of people like the Kardashians.

  16. The day K-pop fans unite as one is the day I go die in a hole.

  17. NO!! those k-pop freaks should stay crazy and rabid… they’ll need the training when they go up against Bieber and Gaga fans. If k-pop wants to make it big all they need to do is buy an hour slot on the Disney Channel.

    • LMAO YESSSSS! Ooooooh, just imagine all the scandals and stuff there will be from being a part of Disney; “Hyuna smoking a bong and says racial slurs on video”, “GD and T.O.P sex tape leaked”, “Siwon comes out of the closet and marries his secret bf from 5yrs Jerome”. I would die a happy bitch.

      • but its ok were forgiving in America… we’ll get over it in a week. Sadly for them they’ll never be able to get home due to being banned for such horrible allegations

  18. “lbr everyone is into kpop for their own dick or someone else’s.”

  19. I have a lot of interest in History (whether it’s America, Europe or Asia take a pick). So I guess… learning or knowing the Culture of Korea is something I do wanna learn but not as a K-FAN but as a person who has Interest.

    Yes. I’m a K-FAN. I want to go to S. Korea but I want to go to N. Korea too. And a lot of countries (top pick is Paris).

    So yeah… I want to add another thing why Int’l Fans could not get along w/ each other.

    For all of us, thou you don’t admit, it’s a competition.

    Who buys the Albums the most?
    Who knows how to speak Hangul?
    Who knows the latest/updates to “Oppas”?

    I’m not going to cleanse myself thou YES I know some things that I DON’T tell to others coz’ of reasons of my own and because I worked hard to find “reliable sources” that can state facts.

    NO. I don’t buy Albums coz’ I’m poor but I admit that there are times I am envious to some Fans who can afford such prices.

    The language… I know how to speak 6 (not bragging).

    • Can you rewrite that stream of consciousness so it actually means something. I feel like you just stole 2 minutes of my life reading it.

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