K-pop insiders gripe about market flooding, unprofessional companies, and media embellishment

Remember this article I just wrote recently about the market being flooded with idol groups? Well, in a fortunate bit of timing, apparently a journalist in Korea picked up on the issue as well and he (or possibly she) revealed that people within the music industry aren’t dumb to what’s happening either.

“Girl group A receives a hot response in Japan”

“Boy group B gets cheered on by Chinese fans”

The above phrases are the titles of numerous press releases that are sent out every day by management companies of idol groups throughout South Korea.

So at least somebody cops to the ridiculousness of this shit.

The hot phrase being passed around music industry circles right now is ‘overflow’. One entertainment company worker revealed, “There are too many companies which lack professionalism. And on top of that, acting companies have sought to tap into the ‘K-Pop Boom’ with their own artists as well. The pie is limited, and there are too many people wanting a slice.”

DAMN SON

KEEP IT REALLY REAL THEN

Seriously though, that was almost as direct as what I wrote, which is surprising.

Due to this ‘overflow’, many of the new rookies on the scene often aren’t even granted a chance. An industry worker whose company recently released a rookie girl group said, “The only way for artists to show their face is through music programs, but in the case of the popular shows their schedules are filled three months in advance,” he confessed. “Since we can’t just keep delaying all the time, there are times when we release the music without any broadcast performances.”

Right, which is why they tend to get relegated to these new music shows that keep popping up all the time but that nobody actually watches and will eventually be canceled/have already been cancelled.

It’s sort of sad, honestly.

For those idol groups who have been turned down domestically, the only way left is to try overseas. In countries such as China or Southeast Asia, where K-Pop idol groups are the hot product, the strategy is to gain foreign fans first before parlaying that into domestic success.

But even that is often met with cold responses. “We went because we were told it was a ‘performance’, but it would sometimes be a nightclub or an ‘event’-type stage set up by a local government,” confessed an industry worker.

“Although there are many popular idol groups, it is rare that they travel overseas. So as a replacement, people are looking for merely ‘Korean idol groups’ instead,” he sighed.

I’m guessing this is where idol dissatisfaction comes into play, because I can’t imagine being a teenager training all your life, and you finally get to debut, but you find that you’re in some dingy club in a foreign country where nobody knows who you are or why you’re there.

FUCK THAT I’M OUT

It does explain why so many irrelevant groups just push overseas even though they are basically destined to flop hard.

Even in established K-Pop strongholds such as Japan, the effect of ‘Hallyu’ has been overblown. “Groups such as TVXQ, KARA, and Girls’ Generation, they have a strong name-value,” said Haneda Junko, a Korean residing in Japan. “Although it is reported that all of the Japanese people are favorable towards K-Pop, even in Japan the idol market has a very limited base of hardcore fans, who seem to have transitioned towards K-Pop as a trend.”

Basically what I’ve always tried to say. There are a handful of real movers and shakers from the K-pop industry in Japan, but the rest, despite tons of hype and promotion, flop worse than J-pop/J-rock groups whose promotion involves jerking off at home while a bus plays their shit around Tokyo.

In a word, only the ‘first generation’ of K-Pop crossover acts have reached success. But why does Korea’s media outlets broadcast their success day in, day out? An industry worker explained the phenomenon: “In the case of album sales, there are specific numbers, but it’s hard to confirm the responses of foreigners,” he revealed. “The truth of the matter is, Korean entertainment companies have to use any way to publicize, even if we have to resort to that method.”

I still don’t understand this. I get what the worker is saying, but why is that an excuse for what happens to journalism? So basically, Japan only has sales news coming out every so often that they can hype, but they have no actual way to measure market penetration otherwise, so the companies need to exaggerate their accomplishments in foreign countries in lieu of just having dead space.

Well what I want to know WHY something positive HAS to be written. I know I have my theories about it and I’ve written about them before, but I want to hear a reasoning from somebody involved in the process.

I refuse to believe there’s some inherent necessity to hype shit up beyond reality.

As K-Pop grows across the world, it has signified the golden times for idol groups. But that doesn’t mean that idols are the only components of K-Pop. As similar groups pop up left and right, the Korean music world is literally gnawing away at their own skin as ‘machine-produced’ idol groups seek to cash in on the boom – if not domestically, then overseas.

Yeah.

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Overall, dare I say, it was an actual insightful piece of journalism. Not necessarily because I agree with most of it, but more because it actually … uh … provides insight into how things actually are and doesn’t just report on fucking selcas, netizens, and fluff.

Have to say though, while the future looks stable for established K-pop groups, this only paints a bleaker picture for rookie groups, especially those from no-name companies.

74 comments

  1. I just thought it was interesting AKP decided to post it while they’re one of the many that hype crap up all the time on their site… (whether it be translated stuff or stuff they just pick up on themselves) so it was… kinda ironic…..

    • They just translate news articles most of the time. Soompi too.

      They’re just the Korean media in English, usually.

      • Well yeah but it’s a bit funny to see them translate/report something about how Hallyu/groups are overhyped as they’re the ones contributing to it as well. “xx just got number 1 on Oricon daily!!!!! Beating Yamashita! xx was featured in an Italian TV show! xx taking over Chile, here’s proof with this photo!!!” “In other news…. many media outlets have also been overhyping and always broadcasting the success of Kpop overseas to a high extent that blah blah blah..” I was like… ok… like how y’all do it too…….?

  2. Wow!! I’m surprised!! I wish I could express my thoughts about how speculate about a product overpasses the ordinary sense of material consume. Besides buying products we consume their representations and what they symbolize to society (status, popularity, identification).

  3. This shit is why I don’t bother to learn band names, let alone the individual members. The only groups I’ve really paid any attention to since I got into kpop are Shinee, C.N. Blue, Big Bang, Block B, Mc Mong, Teen Top (don’t judge me) and Outsider.

  4. Basically Crayon Pop.

    I liked how laid back BingBing was but the teasers for Saturday Night are showing they’re just going for typical methods. meh

    • I think Crayon Pop’s “Bing Bing” is catchier than anything released by any of the established groups in the last several months.

      That’s what sucks about this market “overflow” – sure, there’s a lot of “crap” being released, but there are some really promising new groups with good music that will end up as early victims of this overcrowded market.

      Meanwhile, the established groups will rest on their laurels and just put out mediocre stuff, knowing that the cult-like mentality of their fans will keep them buying anything that they release – whether it’s good or not.

      • I_wish_I_was_Korean

        “I think Crayon Pop’s “Bing Bing” is catchier than anything released by any of the established groups in the last several months.”

        Glad I’m not the only one who felt that way

  5. What if the no-name companies combine with one of the big 3′s?
    For example, a few have already put their company under JYPE.

  6. I think in kpop, you just need to consistently promote yourself with decent music, you’ll get people’s attention eventually.

  7. The people who want to expand Kpop (i.e. the Korean music companies) are the same ones trying to destroy it by flooding the market.

  8. “The pie is limited, and there are too many people wanting a slice.”

    Whoa, okay, idols are viewed as food. LOL

    And now I’m hungry.

  9. Frankly….the established groups now…what they called the second generation of Kpop that is at the front of this wave…once they die down..I see the wave dying with them.

    Who is going to replace them? None of these rookie group have a chance in the current market. Too many debut in a month to even remember their names, and most people have given up. They stick to their bias groups and end it there.

    WHO is going to be the 3rd generation of Kpop?

    Once Suju…starting packing off to the army one by one and fade away…who is going to be the next? Once SNSD starts to fade..who that came behind them can step in their place? Once Kara goes?

    It looks grim. This is why they are all flooding the market now trying to grab that cash before it starts getting scarce.

    • Oppasapervert

      The current generation of idols that includes snsd, suju, 2pm/am etc.is actually considered the 3rd Generation of idols. First Gen is mid ninties 2nd gen is early turn of the century.

      There will be groups that take their place. I think though you will see a return to a longer training period instead of just shoving idols out there. The big 3 already train their idols for a long period of time to begin with.

    • THIS!!!

      But you also have to consider the large amount of “fans” that only fangirl/ fanboy over a group merely for looks, fake personalities of television (etc.) that will easily move on to more younger, attractive, appealing bands. Yes, many will age, but there will always be preteens with nothing better to do with their time than fanboy/ fangirl over those bands.

      As long as there are bands like that, Kpop and everything that comes with it will stay afloat for a little while longer. However, it won’t stay that way for long. With all of the bands being pumped pumped out with nothing that grabs the attention of Kpop fans, it will eventually sink.

    • There will always be popular groups, but it will likely stop the exponential growth unless they can actually get a foothold in America/Europe.

  10. Is like when that Dr. dick or something, cloned the powerpuff girls to sell them like cheap, chinese merchandise.

  11. For those rookies that pulled through themselves out of the shithole I salute you! So far I am only supporting SPICA. Cus they really are awesome.

    • Me too. Just them and Block.B

      I did start liking B.A.P for awhile, but then their whole… “persona” just bored me. They’re just so hyped up with the whole hip-hop thing, I don’t know.

      I am really bad at explaining stuff like this, or just explaining in general.

      • I know, I was so pumped for B.A.P. and then it’s just like, meh.

        • BAP are such tryhards.I was also excited for their debut then i heard that stomp the yard mess of a song and watched the MV and was like O.o

      • yea, i kind of understand, i had the same reaction too; great first impression then…bleh…
        I just don’t buy the ‘bigger than life’ kinda marketing strategy i.e. taking themselves and their kind of music too seriously. (Actually i have the same prob with exo though i do like one or two songs from both grps) They’re portrayed as game-changers/revolutionary artists advocating social change and rebellion etc…and i don’t find that convincing…not from a group made up of mostly 16-18yr olds at least. As idols they r conforming more than rebelling against the norm so i don’t see the point. Their image/concept is just as much of a gimmick as any other grp imo. I hope their new mini will make me change my mind though, cuz im really bored by ‘goodbye’. Meanwhile i’ll continue replaying evol’s teaser; it’s spazz-worthy lol

      • I feel the same way about BAP.

      • I don’t think B.A.P is going for the hip-hop vibe.
        from what I can see they are going for a sort of pop-rock vibe with a little bit of rap here and there.

        • They definitely had hip-hop songs on their first mini album.

          They do have a more pop-rock vibe to them.

          The poor boys already had two comebacks (POWER and the other one to come, can’t remember their title track), must be tiring.

        • I think their first album/song was a bit of a mess because they were trying to figure out whether they wanted to go down the hip hop road or the pop-rock road.

          I still like them a lot though, even if they are overrated.

  12. Basically if you’re not in the big 3 companies (and maybe CUBE) then you won’t end up doing too well. Unless a miracle happens or something.

  13. I’m sad over it. It’s like putting all the dreamers in our faces so we can watch their failure.

    It’s such a shame that promising groups are being overlooked too – just because of bigger names.

    I want to see SM go down in flames. /confession

    • Kind of have to agree with you about the SM part.

    • I specifically want to see SNSD burn.
      I hate them with a burning passion.
      And I can’t stand any of the members besides tiffany and hyoyeon.

      • LOL I feel the same. Sometimes they’re so annoying. Too many members get over-exposed and ugh.

        I like the members you mentioned too. Even Sooyoung sometimes, she is such a prick it’s funny.

  14. mybiasbeatsyourbias

    Oh come on you can’t be that enlighten by the article.
    Kpop survives on hype and skewing a few things in the press. We do it state side also with our own artists. Once again music is an industry. An industry will exploit that because that is business.

    Land(south korea),labor(management,employees,music shows,trainee to idols and all jobs in between), capital (recording studio in this case) and enterprise (the label,management firm or recording company).

    Nice that a worker confirms kpops little tricks. Kpop is stronger in Japan but like the author express its few. China is far far less promising. The entertainment market is loyal to native but like America. Its a soloist nation not idol.

    Kpop saturation is captilism left not regulated by a higher law power. When you supply to much of the same thing and the demand is no longer there. You’ve got a surplus of would be idols and no market to sell them. Its a labels worse nightmare and a very costly one. Overseas maybe the only answer.

    But many factors stand in kpop way of going global. And the biggest IS how koreans do business. I find even the most affluent of labels grossly non professtional. Korean labels do not like handing over control. Best exmaple of a label that has over extended themselves YG.

    Nothing has change much since they merge from Avex japan with YGEX. In fact their sales are falling and what little appeal any of their idols to soloist have is being evaporated into the hallyu wave. The very thing “trend” that made YG’s idol kings and queens in Korea has become their handicap overseas. They can’t exploit the press efficient enough to convince the audience.

    Kpop needs to go through an evolution within the business in order for it to survive on foreign soil and even its own.

    South Korea is such a fast rising nation but its to much and the glass is ready to over flow.

    • Didn’t say it was illuminating, I basically said they just confirmed what I’ve already been espousing.

      Just said it was nice to see actual journalism being done for once.

      • mybiasbeatsyourbias

        I rather talk about the business with actual variables.
        Even though korean labels and japanese press has skew attendance to make one group seem popular that the other. What is acutal sold and said in the press will always range.

        But recently AKP tanslated an article in regards of concerts in Japan this years.

        http://www.allkpop.com/2012/07/concert-sales-for-sm-jyp-yg-artists-in-japan-revealed

        SM entertainment
        -TVXQ
        66 million USD
        -Shinee
        22 million USD
        -Superjunior
        13 million USD
        -Total 101 million USD

        YG entertainment
        -43 million

        JYP entertainment
        -2pm
        5.1 million USD

        If anyone challenges you that SM isn’t a power house in Japan. Then they are a fucking idot sense the numbers don’t lie much verse speculations.

        Now these figures don’t include concert merchandise. Even though the article mention attendance numbers. To who actually went can be slightly lower.. since most concert venues do not give refunds to those who cancel that day. Nor does it indicated cost of performance on the label end to actual distingusih net profits. Meaning to what the label actually earn when all has been subtracted for transportation,rents and labor for payed wages.

        One can conclude all those figures are not actual but still so worth in popularity.

        An artists overseas appeal has always been touring. In Korea its digital and physical sales. But if they go to Japan the real dollar is in touring.

        Maybe I can be wrong for some groups. You would have to get the sales of digital (including ring tones), physical and concert than compare the 3 to find out to who is stronger in what.

        • i love how pressed YG stans are in the comments section. i read one comment where someone said that it doesn’t matter that YG artists aren’t that popular in japan because they don’t expect much from a country where AKB48 is the top group. YG stans always feel the need to downplay everyone else’s achievements (like how tvxq did so well ^.^) and act like their groups are so much more superior to everyone else even though its basically the same shit. they’re even worse than SM stans tbh.

          sorry for my irrelevant comment, i just had to say it.

        • I agree with you about YG stans. They’ve become EXTRA fucking pathetic and annoying lately. I usually can ignore SM stans but YG stans are the absolute worst. Especially VIPs and BJs.

        • The reality is that AKB48 are the top group because they put in a shit ton of work.

          People don’t understand because what they don’t see is the constant performances in their theater and what not. It’s fucking never-ending promotional activities.

        • AKB made 200 mil in 2011 I think, which is insane… Most of it is from their everyday theater performances then?

          I don’t think an American or British performer has ever broken even 100 mil in one year before? Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift didn’t break 50 mil this year. I could be wrong though since I don’t know the stats of the older legends like Michael Jackson or the Beatles…

        • No, they made $200 million just from music sales alone.

    • Actually (from what I’ve seen) EXO-M is doing quite well in China.

  15. IATFB (I always have to c/p that)

    You gotta make an article about this:

    http://www.allkpop.com/2012/07/sistar-wins-1-performances-from-july-13ths-music-bank

    The magical day when elfs suddenly realise that winning music programs is not big deal

    http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/srnocivo2/gifs/tumblr_lz5nfqDJrV1r2trgc.gif

    • Whoa, I thought they’d flip shit.

      It’s only because their kings didn’t win. If they did, they’d shove their annoying joy down our throats all day long.

      • music show awards are only relevant to fans when their bias group wins, otherwise the show is “biased and doesn’t even matter anyways!!11!!”

    • Nah those bitches did get mad
      I read comments about how “we all know who deserve those awards, not those stupid SISTAR bitches”

      Lol~~~~

    • HA! Right in their ass. I bet Siwon think the devil was behind on their defeat and let SISTAR won, and they are simple sluts who are doomed to hell.

    • If they didn’t win THAT, it’s the beginning of end for them I think…

    • they’re too busy bulk-buying for next week’s music shows to get mad right now.

  16. personaly i wish this whole kpop hype die soon! i’m in holiday in tokyo but damn you can’t work 10 meters without coming accross an annoying truck promoting kpop group. i totaly feel japanese people pain damn hearing and seing kpop everywhere i would become nuts. so my bet even those who like it will get tired of kpop soon . and as always i pray that it remain in asia it never reach europe we already have one direction and it’s already a big pain enough. listening to kpop on internet sometime when you want on internet is not the same as seing or hearing them everywhere.

    • Really?
      I would expect you to be tired of AKB48 first..they’re pretty much omnipresent in Japan..Kpop got nothing on them lol

  17. Great article, insight and investigative skills…but what is your opinion on the psychological and social impacts of such an over saturated field?
    (Right or wrong, is it out of desperation, greed or a sense of false hope? Who are the winners and who are the losers? Who stands to gain the most…)

    • Not sure what you’re asking.

      • Over the years, I have seen so much potential and talent fall to the wayside due to bad management and over saturation, that i was wondering what your opinion was, concerning the misguided false hopes and dreams and the impact it has on such impressionable young people when the rug is pulled out from underneath them? Granted, they work extremely hard (though not necessarily for themselves, but for family as well).
        I believe you hit a nerve that many are already thinking…
        What is your take on the overall sentiment towards the music industry…pro’s and con’s…

        • From the general public? I think a lot of people are gravitating away from pop and towards indie.

          Perhaps the only plus out of all this is that people start to get sick of stanning gobs of pop artists and turn towards more talent.

  18. Then I would think it would be safe to say that I (or many) would take the talents of Taru and many of the other independent artists, like those under the Pastel label, than any of the majority of todays K-pop artists…To be honest, there are a lot of indie bands out there that are a breath of fresh air and are bringing normalcy to an otherwise dark and sadistic overexposed industry. Truly gifted talent, stands on it’s own, without strings attached…

    • I’ve read articles from the Korean media that have pointed out that people are slowly turning to the indie scene in larger numbers.

      While pop will never go away, the Korean music scene may diversify enough to make other genres mainstream as well. Not unlike Japan.

  19. Unless you see it in a primetime expose’, anything coming from the Korean media I would take with a grain of salt…and you are quite right…pop will never go away…it is a pre-pubescent requirement for hormonal emotional fulfillment…eh…maybe not…
    Apples and oranges when comparing K-pop to J-pop…though, regardless of genre and origin, diversification IS key.

  20. I stand corrected…no arguments here.

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