
A question about why fans worship idols comes up basically every time a major scandal happens, so I figured it would be an appropriate topic for Ask Asian Junkie.
Can you provide your synopsis on why people tend to worship celebrities (flaws and all)?
The short version? People are fucking delusional. Add in the fact that they’re generally emotionally and physically immature teenagers and everything just gets exacerbated.
The long version? I’m not qualified to explain, but it’s quite logical.
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1) We live vicariously through other people.
Also, when our own lives start to go down hill, we gain some value (and perhaps a little boost to our mood and self-esteem) when we can read about the most famous and popular people in our culture who suffer from not dissimilar woes from our own. They breakup, they makeup, they wear bad clothes, they have hangovers, just like us.
And maybe that’s the real key… That we’re seeking a sign of humanity that we can relate to and that feels familiar to us, despite how far away, unreal, and unattainable such lives really are.
This suggests that people with the most extreme celebrity worship engage in an attributional style that believes the cause of most events in the person’s life are external, that is, they are outside the control of the person experiencing the event. People who have stable, global attributions share such an attribution style with people who are depressed. So people who have the most extreme celebrity worship look to the outside world for explanations, and believe celebrities might hold a piece of that cure.
2) We are scared of dying.
Another interesting possibility derives from terror management theory. As I have written in past blogs, this theory starts with the assumption that people generally want to live for as long as possible. But they know they will die, and this is potentially very disturbing. So humans do the best they can; they ignore death and they overestimate their health and underestimate their risk for diseases etc. They also invest in meaning systems that will prevail after they die.
So yeah, death is a bummer and maybe even scares the living daylights out of a lot of us, but it sucks less if we will live on in some way post death, either symbolically through loves ones and our cultural beliefs, or through our spiritual beliefs.
3) We want to feel important.
So in other words, we love celebrities because they are an integral part of culture. They have made it in the worldview we are so entrenched in. By worshipping them (to an extent), we feel as if we are participating in this hugely important cause/belief system. And that makes us feel all warm and fuzzy, and like our life matters (and in turn, death doesn’t sting as much).
Doctoral student Spee Kosloff and his advisor, professor Jeff Greenberg of the University of Arizona, recently tested the effects of death salience on celebrity worship. In several studies, people were more positive towards celebrities and fame when they were first reminded of death. This suggests that people cope with the awareness they will die by loving themselves some fame and celebrity.
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I’m not going to pretend I’m above the fray though, I mean this whole site is about celebrities after all. Quite frankly, I don’t think anybody is above the fray, because even if you don’t watch episodes of “Keeping Up With The Kardashians” while drooling in your double wide, you’ve probably idolized somebody famous at some point in your life.
Psychologically speaking though, it’s not harmful when done with limits…
John M. Grohol of PsychCentral and Jennifer Gibson of BrainBlogger have both published analysis of some of the research on celebrity worship. The phenomenon impacts more people than you might suspect. From those who scan gossip magazine headlines in the grocery store check-out line to those who immerse themselves in nearly every detail of a particular celebrity’s life, there are likely very few people who do not participate in celebrity gossip either actively or passively.
Gibson writes:
“Much research has been conducted about who engages in celebrity worship and what drives the compulsion. Celebrity worship for purely entertainment purposes likely reflects an extraverted personality and is most likely a healthy past time for most people. This type of celebrity worship involves harmless behaviors such as reading and learning about a celebrity.”
…it’s just that shit gets ugly as fuck when people do lose it.
Intense personal attitudes towards celebrities, however, reflect traits of neuroticism. The most extreme descriptions of celebrity worship exhibit borderline pathological behavior and traits of psychoticism. This type of celebrity worship may involve empathy with a celebrity’s failures and successes, obsessions with the details of a celebrity’s life, and over-identification with the celebrity.”
What impact does this type of celebrity worship have on mental health? Grohol cites a study by North and others (2007), which succinctly summarizes some of the previous research in this area. Some of these findings suggest that intense personal celebrity worship is associated with:
Depression
Social dysfunction
Anxiety
Stress
Negative affect
Low life satisfaction
Another correlated pathology was recently reported by Maltby, Giles, Barber and McCutcheon (2005) who examined the role of celebrity interest in shaping body image cognitions. Among three separate UK samples (adolescents, students and older adults) individuals selected a celebrity of their own sex whose body/figure they liked and admired, and then completed the Celebrity Attitude Scale along with two measures of body image. Significant relationships were found between attitudes toward celebrities and body image among female adolescents only.
Within a clinical context the effect of celebrity might be more extreme, particularly when considering extreme aspects of celebrity worship. Maltby, Day, McCutcheon, Houran and Ashe (2006) examined the relationship between entertainment-social, intense-personal and borderline-pathological celebrity worship and obsessiveness, ego-identity, fantasy proneness and dissociation. Two of these variables drew particular attention; fantasy proneness (time spent fantasising, reporting hallucinatory intensities as real, reporting vivid childhood memories, having intense religious and paranormal experiences) and dissociation (reflects the lack of a normal integration of experiences, feelings, and thoughts in everyday consciousness and memory and is related to a number of psychiatric problems).
Though low levels of celebrity worship (entertainment-social) are not associated with any of the clinical measures, medium levels of celebrity worship (intense-personal) are related to fantasy proneness (around 10% of the shared variance), while high levels of celebrity worship (borderline-pathological) share a greater association with fantasy proneness (around 14% of the shared variance) and dissociation (around 3% of the shared variance, though the effect size of this is small and most probably due to the large sample size). This finding suggests that as celebrity worship becomes more intense, and the individual perceives having a relationship with the celebrity, the more the individual is prone to fantasies.
Whatever you want to blame the phenomenon on is up to you, but idol culture undoubtedly takes firm advantage of the attachment that develops between idol and fan and abuses it. That’s why I have minimal sympathy for idols who complain about fans, because their company and their career paths are designed to generate and attract the imbalanced and vulnerable.
Reap what you sow, really.
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Overall, as a hobby, I see nothing wrong with being interested in celebrity culture or pop culture. It actually makes complete sense considering it’s a reflection of ourselves in a way. Like everything else in world though, moderation and a grip on reality are important. When those two things tag along on any activity, it generally won’t end badly.
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Depends though
Majority of Kpop fans love them because of their looks, next is music. It explains why SM artists are so successful because they’re so easy to sell.
Also another reason are the actions they do. For example, gays love Lady Gaga because she believes in equality and brain washes them into loving her.
Another reason may be because they don’t take shit from other people. Nicki Minaj and Taylor Swift fall down on this example in my opinion.
There are a lot of reasons but as long as you’re interested them and they can do what you can’t, then you’ll appreciated them at various levels.
THIS
All of those things are connected I’m sure … after the scientific reasons listed.
What’s your reason? :)
I’m not obsessed.
I cannot stand Taylor Swift.
She is incredibly unprofessional and she slut-shames.
She does write her own music and it is usually above decent.
She’s annoying but I can tolerate her aha
A lot of people don’t so you’re not alone :)
Few days ago I would have disagreed, but then I read this article.
http://www.kentucky.com/2012/08/23/2308383/taylor-swift-seems-to-be-growing.html
She’s like the epitome of unprofessional. Immature too.
Who really cares if she’s unprofessional/immature, she’s a damn music artist that actually makes her own lyrics. Since when did people judge musicians on their personality than their music? Idols i understand, that’s all they have, but solo artists? just no.
tbph, I wouldn’t be as annoyed about her being unprofessional if she didn’t slut-shame as much as she does.
But because she does it so fucking often, and her main audience are impressionable teenage girls, it makes it worse for me.
Her music has gotten worse. “fearless” and maybe her debut album were the only good ones of her career. Speak Now grates my ears.
Also “we will never ever get back together” TOTALLY sounds artistic. Yup.
Also she needs to get over herself. Putting down her cheerleader friends from high school on TV because she is “oh so better” than them and airing dirty laundry of her ex’s is extremely annoying. She needs to get over Joe Jonas for crying out loud. Just another attention whore who thinks other people actually care about her life
Cause she’s fucking over her fans with that shit….Axl Rose couldn’t get away with that kind of shit, and Taylor Swift is nowhere near that level of artistry. Only thing that gets her by is that she’s really really hot. All it is.
because we hate ourselfs and think those people are better than us have a better life etc…
something like that i guess
That will probably lead to jealousy
Which would lead to you wanting to kill them.
I have my limits with the media. I mean music is my greatest love. Some artists out their also had made this art their greatest love. But their is a business side to the industry. A need to produce a desirable product that the public is willing to buy into.
I can say this rule is true in manufacturing and service industries. But how can not hold truth in the music industry? All kpop Korean firms do is service an ideal image of idol. May it be men or women. These ideals are very unrealistic to the person who is servicing you the entertainment. Yet consumers keep buying it,watching it and talking about it.
I can say that about any major pop star any where in this world. All the music industry is giving you what you desire most but personal can not become or obtain.
I think in the case of Korea and Kpop its the most extreme.
I agree with you… people love what they don’t have. They need to be part of something that gives them identity.
Honestly, I think America has the craziest people who are obsessed. Fucking Chris Brown yo. Commits a felony and is loved by everyone. Got stalkers left and right and aren’t there celebrities who are fucking murdered by obsessed fans?
Chris Brown went on national television and took off his shirt and threw a chair out a window. He’s done so much stupid shit. But his fans love him. Why? Because he can sing and dance. Same thing goes for Michael Jackson if he couldn’t sing or dance he would’ve went to jail. Kids don’t all say the same shit he had to be doing something with those kids.
I read an Allkpop article about Teddy Park being in a Chris Brown music video and every little fucker was on akp said “Omggeee i luv Chris Brown, c’mon guise lets just get over the Rihanna thing, he said he was sorry and we’re all human.”
Boy Bands + Delusional little teenage fangirls = dumb fucking bitches, no matter what country they’re from.
Your math wasn’t off at all. The equation is perfection
They seem to all be stupid. Korea just comes off dumb a lot because the Internet is such a big part of society/culture.
Some people take idol worship to the psycho level, but I think they’re a small minority of fans.
The “vicarious life” thing makes the most sense to me, and I think that’s the extent of most people’s interest in celebrities.
And as far as idol fandoms go, if you really think about it, it’s not much different than the way sports fans behave. They go totally apeshit watching their teams play, spend tons of money on merchandise and game tickets, talk trash to fans of opposing teams, become either depressed or euphoric depending on the outcome of a game, etc. Some hard-core fans may spend most of their free time either watching their teams play and talking about them when they’re not playing.
It’s really not much different at all.
Basically it’s human nature. Some idol fans and sports fans just take it way too far.
Because celebrities are usually beautiful, rich and at least try to play kind. They date and marry equally beautiful and rich, etc. They have sex and sextapes, stir drama, get criminal records… What I’m trying to say is that for me, it’s like watching Gossip Girl.
Some people just taki it way too far, with the stalking and shit.
I don’t worship anyone. They’re just entertainment for me
Women are liars….make-up, hair extension, push-up bra and butt pads
Bishes are evil
F you BoA
You sound like you just went through a majorly shitty breakup.
Nah, just realizing how women love to deceive
He has since then realized the beauty of wieners. No mo wasting tahm ahn any fake ass hozzzz- he going straight for the rooster
I wonder if we contributed to his change at all
Lol @ Kafkaf
No I still love thee ole whispering eye. Can’t and never will do wieners
@I wish I was Korean
It’s good to know that whatever we do in here, it won’t damage you permanently, haha!
We converted another one! ^_^ What woman or confused man could resist this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVA_-yB761E&t=5m32s
@ I_wish_I_was_Korean DENIAL!
Trust me I’m straight lol
@lakorn diva
Definitely denial. Without a freaking doubt
@tap/Lakorn diva/etc
For a job well done, virtual high five
i would say personality but ain’t no body really know what these people are like in private. i won’t say looks cause i think if you look at a person from the right angle they look good. talent…mehh, only a few. Lack of anything else to inspire you is my answer; they are successful, supposedly gorgeous and have mirrored amazing personalities and bodies…what more could you want to be?
that and, sometimes you compare your age with theirs and look at how amazing their lives seem to be and think, if you can’t beat ‘em make ‘em a lot more important…not to add, richer.
I’m so happy I got out of that little monster (lady gaga) fandom. I seriously think I was getting delusional about her. Reading all that makes me realize that I had Celebrity Worship Syndrome. It’s like I actually thought Gaga was God at one point. I was going through some borderline pathological obsession type shit. I swear Lady Gaga is starting a cult just wait and see. So glad I’m out.
Oh yeah, another reason people get obsessed with celebrities and idols is because they probably want to feel like they’re apart of something bigger than themselves. Kinda like how Gaga would always tell her fans that we’re all a family and we have power when we all come together. That sounds like stuff Jim Jones (the cult leader) would say.
I hate fandom names with a passion. It irks the crap out of me when someone says “I’m a (insert fandom name)”….Bish, you’re 18+ years old. Save that ish for the kids
Some fandoms names are just stupid like ELF, why would you willingly call yourself that? I guess the names are supposed to make the fans feel closer to the artist idk.
Just thinking about what ELF stands for makes me cringe
I DONT WANNA GROW UP
I’ve seriously seen thirty year old women on tumblr that are Kpop fans. If you look at their blogs, their lives come second to Kpop. It’s sad, honestly.
And then that psychologist says that’s what makes them great- putting their lives on hold for people that they fantasize about
I remember a while ago that there was this thing on tumblr that Kpop fans reblogged like crazy. It was an article from Allkpop or something where this Korean psychologist was just spewing bullshit about how great Kpop fans were. “THEY ARE AT A LEVEL WHERE THEY CAN DEVELOP THIS LOVE FOR PEOPLE THEY DON’T KNOW, WORRYING ABOUT, FEELING EMPATHY FOR, AND LAUGHING WITH. THEY CREATE THESE STRONG BONDS WITH OTHERS FOR SIMPLY LOVING SOMETHING THEY LOVE”. He went on and on with some more craptastically wonderful theories that were so untrue.
Fangirls, being stupid, naturally reblogged the shit out of that, commenting on how they’re way much more accepting now, other self-praising crap
Everyone was so full of shit that the methane from this shit, once let out of the body, started global warming. That’s my theory
Yeah, and how this new generation is completly not racist because of kpop. It was on Zico’s facebook I think… Found it:
http://honeydae25.tumblr.com/post/11567974238
Not that I’m claiming to be some kind of an expert, but, uh… JUST NO.
Please let it be made up. No doctor with a degree to be an expert or specialist in psychology would say this type of behavior is right or pure. Gag me with a rusty crowbar.
Nah, I don’t think this is a professional opinion either, because this “they are able to persevere all the way just to buy something related to the celebrity they like” is not healthy. It’s called obsession. Or maybe the Doc is a fangirl herself?
I want to believe that we live in a world free of this, but then allkpop releases something every day that makes me depressed. The comments after that make it worse
How one does not lose faith in humanity after visiting that site, I don’t know
That dude is full of shit.
Country has a terrible mental health track record, so that sort of correlates, I guess.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS SHIT?!?!?!!
But yes, crazy ass bitches aren’t just outside of the doctor’s office over there
I want to see if that “psychologist” is still working as one and just how well they’re doing
Complaints about how mental health is handled in Asia is nothing new. Reminds me of how it used to be handled in America.
Person has curable/manageable mental disease if treated by a psychiatrist/psychologist -> no societal/cultural support or options -> labeled crazy -> wasted life
Perhaps we over-medicate in America now, but it’s better than the opposite, where you’re just shamed into suicide and shit.
I got in like twelve arguments because of that post.
Lol what happened?
I made offensive generalizations about K-pop fandom and K-pop fandom retaliated. :o What else?
Wasn’t Selena killed by a jealous fan
her psychotic busi. manager.. To this day she still wont say why she did it.
It was a fan turned manager of her business.
When I was teenager I was never into one particular group hardcore , I had a life, . If I didnt work from home like I do now, I doubt I would of discovered KPOP. When I see teenagers cry on tv bc they are seeing their idol, I smh and change the channel quick.
My worship for Taemin’s penis can’t be healthy. But if masturbation makes one live longer, I will never be able to leave this fucking planet.
To bad he has a no girls allowed rule in his pants
http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/19/1655e526a66f029928e67a4face94965/l.gif Ohhh, so that what it was Peter was guarding…
Hahaha. Guarding all the penises of kpop idols – too fucking bad.
And even if he did, how the hell am I supposed to get in there without killing him and everybody around him?
Taemin… his face of a five year old child makes me want to feed him dinner and tuck him to sleep.
Minho on the other hand… I will strip him naked, cover him in toffe, clean him up with my tongue, and then make him lick his own jizz from my boobs.
If masturbation makes people live longer, then I’m fucking immortal, baby.
I’d do the same to Jonghyun :)
And not only I’d do that to him, he’ll be gagging on his soiled draws while I rape with with a spiked dildo.
I second that with Jonghyun
It’s okay if noone likes Taemin. More of his healthy, young flesh for me as soon as I find and eat him.
Let’s be immortal together, Tap. We’ll repopulate the whole world with people who love to butt rape each other on the streets.
And pillowfuckers. Or that doesn’t count?
Streets full of people who like to buttrape eachother? You don’t have to live forever to experience that, just come to Poland, cause this is kinda the reality here, lol
Oh wow, I really need to move to Poland then. Nothing brightens up your day more than some surprise buttsex.
We can’t even breed any pillowfuckers because our descendants would be too fucking awesome to be pussies like that.
Onew man, all the fucking way.
First of all, I’d love to have him slap me around with his dick.
Second of all, I bet he would make the BEST sounds in bed all breathy moans and I would just DAMN
Present for you ;)
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8o2heF1761rt7p7z.gif
Adding this to my collection. Love you, kafkaf.
This and every comment that spawned from it is <3 <3 <3.
And this is why I love asianjunkie. <:D
I don’t worship…I only like them :)
you are perverted, crazy, little…:)
I used to be like that especially when I was like 12-14. Raging Hormones, plus I needed a hero. Then I got laid. All that is over and done LOL. Can you do a article on why people worship this site?
Because some of us want to fuck each other, fuck the same people and/or fuck IATFB (or IMMATOP – but where the hell is that guy?!).
The rest loves the discussions… with real arguments and comprehensible reasons (not my profession though). Oh, and we can pretty much flame anyone here without getting banned or being annoyed by stupid bitches because of it.
Let’s make an AJ shrine and burn Siwon’s corpse in it while we have wild satanistic orgies.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6czg4cdx21qif9r4.gif
The first paragraph.. umm lol I think some of you have a lot of pent-up frustration.
The second paragraph is the reason I keep coming back. This site has made me realize how insane the comment section at allkpop is.
As for celebrity worship, I’ve never really been that interested in anyone passed their music and sometimes their looks. When I was single and bored I’d occasionally watch Youtube videos, and started a playlist for Joon’s cute/funny moments, but once I got a boyfriend I just lost interest.
Having a girlfriend has no effect on my desire to fap to idols.
I AM GOD
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljqcpip62d1qafrh6.gif
You’re a troll god. And I love good trolls.
So please send us all a bottle of your godly sperm so we can pray to it. Or send it to Tap and me since we want to repopulate the world in the future – we could use your jizz to make the world a better place.
^ lmao epic post
I would like to say that what they do in their personal lives don’t affect my view of them, but I can’t. I used to love Jin Akanishi, drool over him etc. but he’s just fucked over fans too many times for me. I think everybody holds high standards for celebrities, because we aspire to be like them, in a way. That in some way our choices in favorite celebrities, musicians, actresses, etc. reflects a part of who we are.
I’ll confess heavy metal fans are more crazy that pop fans. We love our bands till their death or till our own. Than hope to head bang with them in hell.
Then there are fans like the guy who shot down Dimebag Darrell during a concert. I cried that day when the news broke out. His death was due to the fans disgruntle feelings over Pantera breaking up. I couldn’t imagine my life shorten over a dispute.than murder by the hands of someone who didn’t understand why it happen.The guy was fatal shot during his cross fire with the police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osUtuDLN_NI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
It was a sad day in metal
This remembers me John Lennon’s death, i mean, the circumstances… It’s insane.
I think its more common to see girls being psycho over celebs…a good many of them seem to get an emotional connection and kind of fall in love with idols..
whereas dudes just wanna jerk off to hyoseungs mad tits
Not in case of Japan. The guys there go nuts for the female idols. Just watched a documentary about that.
But everything in Japan is a little different or more extreme.
Video games where you have to rape girls to get points
B-cups never looked so good
Bwahahahahahaha. B cup. I have 38-B, and trust me, that girl is nowhere near a B cup. Don’t hate on Hyosung, just appreciate her mad tits.
Definitely not C
That’s what I’ve observed as well, but I haven’t seen science to back it.
Most I’ve seen is studies that say females between 12-16 have their body image affected most if they have psychotic relationships with celebrities.
Well would also say that it would have to do with the different ways males and females build relationships. Girls and boys at the age of 12-16 stop looking towards their parents for what they should like and look at what their peers like. From that they learn that celebrities are an easy way to connect with others.
However, boys and girls use conversation in different ways. Girls tend to be much more emotional with conversation, using it to strengthen relationships with family and friends, while boys are much less likely to use conversation that way on purpose, rather using it in a self-seeking way. Thus girls are more likely to become emotionally invested in celebrities, while boys are more likely to subjective about them.
Okay two new Ask Asian Junkie questions:
1) What are the reasons behind why Kpop fans are “crazier” than Jpop, American pop, etc. fans on a general level? Is it because of culture?
2) Why are groups from certain companies, say SM vs YG, are more delusional than others?
I think I already answered those at some point.
celebrity worship: ain’t a new thing. just made more interesting by the internet