
So KARA and Super Junior‘s Siwon are both currently mired in controversies over Dokdo/Takeshima/Stupid Fucking Rocks In The Middle Of The Sea. Why? I don’t know, because apparently people think robotic pop idols are supposed to be political scientists or something.
Yay, nationalism?
Recently, tension between Korea and Japan heightened due to the controversy surrounding the sovereignty of Dokdo, a group of islets located in the Sea of Japan. With both countries claiming ownership of the islets, comments made by public figures in regards to the issue have been widely reported by the media and criticized by the general public. Because of this, many celebrities have been under fire for their comments, or lack thereof, in relation to the problem.
Here’s the hilarious part about this introductory paragraph by Koreaboo: depending on which country reads it, they would draw criticism for what they wrote regardless. They referred to the islands as Dokdo instead of Takeshima and they referred to the sea as Sea Of Japan instead of East Sea.
“OMG! YOU GUYS HATE … uh … BOTH COUNTRIES!”
“BOYCOTT! HOLD PROTESTS!”
Yay, nationalism.
Earlier in the month, Super Junior’s Siwon was heavily criticized as he re-tweeted a message posted by South Korean president Lee Myungbak, who said that Dokdo belongs to South Korea and thus they must fight to protect it. Additionally, Siwon’s father had also been criticizing Japan on his personal twitter, adding fuel to the fire at the expense of his son’s image.
In response, Super Junior’s Japanese fans expressed disappointment towards Siwon, even going as far as threatening to throw eggs at Siwon during the group’s recent visit to Japan for a fan meeting. The fans expressed, “We know that the government in Japan and Korea don’t think alike, and that’s not something that can be controlled, but there is no need to discuss it on Twitter.”
Okay, granted, from a public relations standpoint he’s a dumbass for tweeting that while he’s trying to promote in Japan.
Still though, that’s sort of the point. The dude isn’t popular because he’s a fucking scholar, he’s just an idol, who fucking cares what he thinks?
“Throw eggs at him because he retweeted shit that their President said! Yah!”
Come the fuck on. How about you just get over it? It’s not like he said he wants to fucking invade Japan.
Yay, nationalism.
On August 22, at the Seoul Kwang-jang Dong Walker Hill Hotel, Kara hosted a show case and as well as a press conference to promote their new album. During the press conference, the question “If you received a question about Dokdo in Japan, what position would you take?” was tossed into the air.
But MC Park Ji Yoon, who was the announcer of the event that day, dismissed the question. It is most likely that the question was on a list of questions to avoid intentionally before the press conference. All five Kara members stayed silent.
The article argues that although the event was for the purpose of promoting Kara’s new album activities, and although the announcer rejected the question, it is without question, that the girls should have replied with a defiant “Of course, Dokdo is Korea’s land.” Instead of giving what should have been an obvious and easy answer, according to the news article, Kara chose to keep silent.
This is the epitome of a Catch-22, no? They either piss off the country that has made them a top three girl group or they fucking hate Korea and being Korean and wish they were Japanese. Or something. Right? Cause obviously if they don’t take strong political stances in line with nationalistic jingoism, they fucking hate being Korean or whatever.
Yay, nationalism.
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I understand that everybody expresses nationalism to an extent. I generally limit myself to sporting events and varying amounts of pride, but we all have different levels. That’s fine. However, when it gets to the point where you’re a traitor if you don’t agree with a government dogma, it all just becomes asinine and unhealthy. It already pisses me off when Americans take it to that extent (“IT’S A FUCKIN’ AMERICAN TRUCK!“), and I’d say we’re pretty bad about it, but Asian countries are on some next level shit.
Then add the fact that in this case both Japan and Korea are holding pop idols responsible to make political statements and it’s just a recipe for disaster.
Pop stars are made for mass consumption; they are there to dance and sing and look nice for your general amusement. The fact that their opinions on political matters (“BRO I NEED TO KNOW WHAT KARA THINKS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC POLICY BEFORE I BUTT DANCE AGAIN!“) even comes into play is nuts to me. Sure, their opinions can always reflect on them personally, but holding them responsible as some type of national spokesperson for government politics is just hilarious. Or at least it would be if it wasn’t so pathetic.
Asian Junkie Asian pop. Without discretion.
It’s probably because they’re representing their country.
I Iike idols and all but I never get why people would use manufactured, even down to their faces and personalities, made to sell CD and the discard when a shinier and younger groups come out to represent their country :
That’s rather sad.
Well if North Korea started bombing America, I’m sure Korean idols will be asked questions when they’re in foreign land. It’s the same concept in my opinion
I honestly don’t think so.
We have major issues with a lot of countries, but I’ve never seen a talk show grill a pop star over a political stance that they didn’t bring up themselves.
Not like Letterman is asking Justin Bieber about all our territorial disputes with Canada.
Bieber’s an idiot, not like he’s going to give a proper answer anyway =P
I see your point. It’s probably a mix of bias, curiosity and stereotype that led to the question.
I thought people already knew not to pay attention to that arrogant fuck, Siwon (my bets are still on his deep repression of his own homosexuality).
As for Kara, I guess it would make a little sense if they had actually said anything…. but they didn’t.
Celebrities should stick to dissing each other on twitter and being fap-material, not trying to be social justice activists (if you could even call it that).
I couldn’t agree more with this.
And yes, Siwon is a hypocrite, but it’s not completely his fault, his father is strict and he’s so obsessed with being a correct Christian. LOL many Christians are gay too.
That’s his logic right there: http://hannah-bananamilk.tumblr.com/post/26584036389/logic
It’s so sad, it’s true.
This is perfect
I’m a happy Kara fan that they’re smart enough to keep their mouth close about the topic~ :3
Not surprise about the hypocrite holy bible thumper….:|
My love/hate relationship with Siwon and me is coming to a close. I can’t take it anymore. I’m tired of sharing him with Heechul, we have different views and beliefs, he votes Republican, he likes his mattress soft and I like mine firm, he only eats egg whites, its just not gonna work anymore.
And Kara better not get themselves into that fuckery, it’s just a set up for failure. I’m all for one who speaks their mind, but they shouldn’t be obligated to care or worry about stuff like that. They can’t do anything about it, and it’s not their job to do so.
Grammar question: Is it “Siwon and I” or I was right? Oh eff it. English is confusing sometimes and isn’t my first language anyway…
The first was right because both Siwon and ‘me’ are the objects (you can replace Siwon with ‘him’ to recognize if it’s an object or w/e).
But then you could have substituted ‘with’ with ‘between’.
But then that might raise the question of whether or not to use the reflexive pronoun ‘myself’ in place of ‘me’.
That Lula – Spring song is hella soothing….but for all I know, she could be talking about how she likes to get gang bang after snorting 6 lines of coke
Wut
Lula, the singer on your Thai page
Oh. She just singing about the guy she loves and when he’s around it feels like spring and other cheesy metaphors.
tbph i hope the rumours i’ve heard about heechul/siwon aren’t true because heechul is a god (and EVERYONE SHOULD WORSHIP HIM) and siwon is a homophobe who probably hates his own guts and is filled with denial about his sexuality.
Whats wrong with voting Republican >:(
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/21700000/Lucille-is-judging-you-gif-arrested-development-21743891-500-289.gif
And you have perfect English I never would have guessed it wasnt your first language. A lot of people here speak English as a second language absolutely perfectly considering how difficult it is. Bravo everyone.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lme7z9Imgt1qii6tmo1_500.gif
As a side note does anyone else find gyuri to be stunning? She looks so good up there..
I was surprised by the amount of Korean students that are pissed about the rocks
http://koreanstudentsspeak.tumblr.com/
“I love black people”
Something about…
“I hope to go to nude beach” That guy is awesome.
this guy wins though
http://i.minus.com/ibhJGic70l1qsy.jpg
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ernie.gif
I want to eat your dog.
America, Fuck Yeah!
http://koreanstudentsspeak.tumblr.com/image/21776755185
That’s a really entertaining website. They’re all over the place – funny, sad, cute, thoughtful, WTF.
I wonder what camera they’re using
It only makes sense, really.
its just better to stfu about these controversies and not make a comment. Anything you say as an idol about these things are going to mess with you later on. Its better to not say anything.
Of course that doesnt help with the T-ara and hwayoung drama lol. People wants answers for that!!!!
Every nationalistic asshole needs to go fuck themselves.
or each other
South Korea is the second most nationalist country on the Earth. North Korea is the first.
Hate to see Kara singled out for this. I’ve already noticed an unusual amount of “thumbs down” on their recent YouTube videos, which I assume is related to this issue.
The “national treasures” SNSD and 2NE1 would do exactly the same thing if asked that question.
Kara is handling the issue exactly as it should be handled. It’s always bad business to make political statements. Other than the occasional ‘Chick-fil-A’, most companies don’t express their religious or political views because doing so unnecessarily alienates customers.
I thought this article was about Kara parking in a handicap spot
No answer to this question would be received by the public without criticism.
I feel bad for them because besides being a fan I have an opinion that no one should be trapped and compelled to stand on a question whose answer would only harm the person who responds.
I almost hope more popular K-pop groups like SNSD and 2NE1 get asked the same question because I’m sure they’ll do the same thing – stay silent.
Once you get a bunch of the industry’s top groups in the same ‘no comment’ camp, it will disarm a lot of the antifans, since their ‘bias’ will likely then be in the same boat.
Sure – the old hard-core Korean nationalists will hate any group that ignores the question, but they probably don’t listen to K-pop anyways.
when it comes to real, hot issues like economy, politics or whatever, i’m pretty sure that kr people in general do realize idols are just a tool/machine and use very hash words towards them more often than you think.
case: opening of new media outlets, first lady’s party, current president’s gathering, all with presence from ‘hot idol groups’ (‘national girl/boy’ or whatever media often use to refer to them) and they sure all were under very hash mocking tone/idols are laughing stock – at least in this context.
It’s funny, how all the bad stuff that can happen between two countries can be poured into few small, uninhabited islands.
Like I’ve said once before- those things are all over the coasts of the Baltic Sea. Sweden has them, Finland too, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland as well. Seriously, if Japan and Korea are so obsessed with the idea of posessing few of those rock things then can have some of ours.
Drives me crazy that when KARA achieves anything in Japan, they roll many articles about how awesome their successful Japanese career is. Then, when they’re in Korea, they get criticized for not answering a question that could possibly harm their popularity on either country. What’s the point? You want your artists to be major in Japan AND advocate for Korean political issues there? That’s not their job.
I don’t understand why they’re conflicting in the first place… If Japan collectively feels any guilt for their actions and/or had any morality, they would give back the land they took in their bout of disgusting imperialism.
gods in heavens… what’s done is done.
(if the mongols/turks/tatars/germans/russians etc. feels any guilt for their actions and/or had any morality, they would pay us a lot of money.)
Totally.
Hey Taro, you’re Hungarian, right? Damn, a whole big part of Europe owes us A LOT of cash.
Cheers! *raises her glass of Żubrówka with apple juice*
„Polak, Wegier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki, oba zuchy, oba zwawi, niech im pan bóg blogoslawi!”
be honest, our loved east europe was on the wrong side of the dick in the last 600 years…
cheers, i have pálinka, pure :)
You have absolutely no idea how much I love you for knowing that quote.
So fucking much!
*Sheds tears of joy and opens another bottle*
the majority of the hungarians knows that qoute :)
we gave you some queens and kings, you gave us some queens and kings :) we shared the same bloody past, we fought together. Zawisza Czarny died for us.
“we be of one blood, you and i”
(among my ancestor were poles to, and at least another 5 other nationalities: i’m a perfect central-european mixture)
It’s not the same though. That was done a very long time ago yet this happened very recently. It was taken in the 1920′s and reclaimed in 1945. A short 20 span year. Your example is someone stealing a sword and it passing 500 generations and asking for it back. This one is in 3ish generations. It’s still living memory for many people. I mean, if Japan was forced to leave from Korea, Indonesia, China, etc. What’s the arbitrary decision to leave Dokdo in their hands? It makes no sense.
child, the treaty of trianon was 1920, and the ww II was 1939-1945. the germans – our allies – and the soviets – our enemies – robbed my country. we was living behind the iron courtain because the allies gave eastern europe to the russians. for me is a living memory the soviet army in my country
What we’re also talking about communism. Soviet Union fell in 1989. Is that “fresh” enough for you?
What Taro and I are trying to say is that we, the nations known for getting royally buttfucked every time there is a war, are not making a big deal out of it. And if we can manage to do that, then both Koreans and Japanese should get their heads out of their asses as well. It’s getting old and no one cares.
@ Tap, i want cry on your shoulder for our fucking past… and sorry for kraków and lublin and sandomierz and the other territories
@Taro, no words can express how sorry I am for 1956.
Your problem not mine. Then make a bigger deal out of it. I don’t understand why people just stand still when they’re getting royally fucked. Make some rabble and get your problem recognized by the international community.
You really shouldn’t complain about how shit ended up after the Great War. Why? Because you started it. Don’t complain about stuff you start. Unlike the situation we have here.
Now continuing on over to what happened during the Soviet Union. Gave you to Russia? Not quite what happened. You’re oversimplifying the great poltical issue that happened. Russia took Hungary, that’s what happened.
Now, obviously Russia should give reparations in some shape or form for their actions against you, but you’re going to have to get in line. I think Georgia is up first.
wow :)
if you want living in the past, it’s your choiche. i want living in the present and in the future. i dont forget, but i can forgive the past. hate can kill the soul, child.
I’ll forgive when I get a proper apology. Which includes giving back all the shit they took.
1. We did. But who would you rather listen to? Polish government in London or Joseph Stalin.
2. What did we start? When does Poland ever starts things?
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference#Poland_and_the_Eastern_Bloc
and dude, what are reparations going to change now?
Isn’t Taro from Hungary? What? Clarify which nation you’re from please.
It’s not as cut and dry as you state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks_dispute
Neither is it more recent than the disputes of a lot of European countries with the Soviets.
I know you are known for being Korean nationalist and shit, but at least learn your history a bit.
@Taro is Hungarian.
@Tap (me) is from Poland.
We are two separate people, mate. In two separate countries.
“Your problem not mine. Then make a bigger deal out of it. I don’t understand why people just stand still when they’re getting royally fucked.”
Why? They aren’t still getting fucked in any way significant and neither is Korea or China. Most countries have better shit to do. America has land disputes with Mexico and Canada but nobody here gives a shit.
Then again, our country has other distractions to prevent us from criticizing the government. War, gays, abortion, and whatever else.
Lee Myung Bak was under fire from his own country because of his Japanese roots, so he decided to go in the opposite direction to prove to everybody how Korean he is. It’s comical that people don’t see this. But hey, keep on keeping on. Ignorance is bliss.
Look, Poland is in the European Union, part of a community. Considering EU financial problems, our economy is doing really good. People are actually looking forward to the future. Sure, we have our problems, but which country doesn’t? And contrary to the popular belief, we don’t hate Germans or/and Russians, because
a) it’s in the past.
b) what’s the fucking point.
i’m sorry for the great war. be honest,the roots this war were:
1815:sainte alliance
1830:the november uprising in poland
1821-1832: greek war of indepence
1820-1859 italian wars of indepence
1848-1849: revolutions in europe
1853-1856:crimean war
1859: the born of romania
1863:the january uprising in poland
1866: austrian-prussian war
1867:de facto independence of serbia
1870-1871:french-prussian war
1873:league of the three emperors
1876:the april uprising in bulgaria
1877-1878:russian-turkish war
1879:leauge the two emperors
1882:triple alliance
1892:french-russian alliance
1904.entente cordiale
1907:anglo-russian entente
1908:we occupied bosnia
1912:1 balkan war
1913: 2. balkan war
1914. juny 28. gavrilo princip killed franz ferdinand and his wife.
(i not mention the non europan events, sorry (boer wars, sipoy matutiny, russian-japan wars, opium wars etc.)
I’ll actually try to write something constructive
Regarding the Liancourt Rocks dispute. I’ll concede that I made a mistake in judging it as a dispute that began around the 1900′s. With that said, it’s my opinion that Japan has an weak claim over it and even now. Japan’s main 2 claims are the San Francisco Treaty and the annexation treaty. The annexation treaty obviously doesn’t stand because of the coercion involved. And the San Francisco treaty is weak because it was nearly arbitrarily drawn with US interests in mind rather than the interests of the actual nations as the main priority. Although there is a portion that supports Japan’s claim of the islands, that MacArthor line has already expired
Korea’s claim on the island is much stronger for the reason of Royal Edict 41 which is the clear documentation for the administration of the Liancourt Rocks. While there are also other historical accounts, I find those unnecessary since those aren’t the main sources of evidence for Korea.
Now regarding the conflict today and why Korea should receive it with evidence claiming ownership taken out. IATFB has already pointed out that my logic is poor because everybody could apply it for basically everything. However, that only means that most people do not see the need to “do it”, attempt to obtain an apology. That means that those people have already obtained closure over traumatic experiences with other nations through various methods, which could include apologies, reparations, etc. The fact that South Korea feels so much animosity towards Japan says something, it highlights that the nation, basically as a whole, has not received emotional compensation over the imperialistic actions of Japan. This could mean basically one of two things, Korea is being a hard-ass, or Japan has not offered enough in reparation.
South Korea has several different longstanding issues with Japan such as comfort women, korean artifacts, East Sea or Sea of Japan, Corea vs Korea (meh, it’s a non-issue now, but why not?), etc. Dokdo is merely the culmination of the longstanding issues between Japan and Korea. Why? Because Dokdo is basically the first “thing” that Japan did when it began to take over Korea with underhanded means, it’s the first territory lost. Many people, logical or not, see it as the representation of Japan’s tyrannical control over Korea and to see Japan refusing to hand it over? It infuriates them. To them, and me, a thousand written or vocal apologies don’t matter because there has been no substantial action has been taken to “give back” to Korea. Most have been forced upon them through arbitration through the US. If I had to put it in an analogy, the US would be the parent forcing Japan to give back to the kid he bullied.
Economic reasons. Now this is more of a meh reason. I’m just putting it here for the sake of my self-esteem. I’m gonna make it short. Korea got fucked up by North Korea. Shitty times. Japan didn’t get as much shitty times. Japan should be nice and hand it over.
Political reasons. In the strained relationship between Japan and Korea today, handing over the islands would be great (preferably with the great admission of comfort women). It would only help things between the two nations and maybe there would be less cock block between each other.
I realize most of you guys think this is just a bunch of nationalistic dipshits fighting over a dumb piece of fucking rock. But it’s really more than that. Unless the Liancourt Rocks issue is handled well, it’s gonna change to something else. From issue to issue to another issue. There’s obviously an underlying social issue that needs to be addressed and you people saying “get over it, it’s the past” doesn’t help one damn bit.
I’m gonna get shit on so fucking much for writing this.
PS: Sorry for saying dumb shit about Hungary and Poland, I don’t know too much about that.
Oh, I forgot to write it. After I say Korea is a hard-ass sentence. Add this, “Now it’s basically a combination of both, but judging by the widespread animosity towards the Japan in the whole area, there’s obviously a problem going on with the way Japan’s been addressing the problem”
I don’t care enough to address it point by point, honestly.
Didn’t write this to get into a mediocre political discussion about Japanese-Korean relations.
I’ll just say that it’s a two-way street and it’s that way for a reason. The government benefits from it the most and it’ll always be a cycle no matter what either country does for that reason.
Yeah I’m a large portion Armenian (and some thing you mentioned ^.^) and we aren’t freaking out about land the Turks stole O.o
And at least Japan said sorry MANY times. I don’t even think that they cover it up
Poland has a commemoration day for the Armenian Genocide, the 24 of April if I remember correctly.
it was genocide,and too many people knows about, and no one did anithing
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/29162171
I am still mad at turkey, because they still deny it. You’re not even allowed to speak about the Armenian genocide or you’ll get in trouble. If that’s not denial I don’t know what is. People are aware of what Japan did to Korea (though I’m not making it seem like it wasn’t a big deal), but absolutely no one in my school even fucking knows what Armenia is. People don’t want to be forgotten, and for the deaths of over a million people to just be blown off for political reasons is so fucking depressing.
I’m upset America hasn’t recognized it as a genocide. Obama said he was gonna do it which got a bunch of stupid armenians excited, but all he’s done is call it a “big murder” in Armenian. They were so cruel and no one knows about it. We’re too busy learning about Woodstock and how evil Ronald Reagan was and how racist history book writers are in school.
Also fuck yeah poland. And sorry for the tldr.
@Tap
That’s sweet:)
I’m a quarter Polish and Armenian (a ton of other things)… Kinda having a moment :p
@Taro
I can’t open up the picture >.<
@herpaderp
Every presidential candidate promises that if they're elected that they'll recognize it as a genocide, but they find out that they can't (Turkey being important for America in the middle east)
@ kafkaf:it is the Monument of the Armenian holocaust in budapest.
@taro
FUCK YEAH POLAND
*fist pound*
@ kafkaf- aware of politicians promising things, that’s why I said “the stupid Armenians who actually believed..” and I’m aware of turkeys relationship with America that’s why I said “political reasons.”
@tap and taro we are Armenian, hungarian, Ukrainian, English, french, Scottish, Irish, German, polish, Swiss, and Mongolian. My family escaped fucking armenian genocide, ww2, and some relative of mine was some spy or something and the soviets in Ukraine had a price on his head, he did some underground escape thing. I love how there are people who can relate what my family and their countries have been through, actually know their history, but can still move on.
I love you. So. Fucking. Much.
Kara was already ‘accused’ of having connections with North Korea and of having connections with the CEO of the Open World Entertaiment…
Honestly, this question, asked in these circumstances, has less to do with nationalism than it appears.
Why do you say that? What else happened?
I’m saying that the media would love to fabricate another t-aragate, now with international proportions.
@ninabias
I see what you mean, but wouldn’t they not want to risk hurting such a popular girl group that supposedly “helps spread the Korean wave” in Japan?
Maybe a smaller group?
Japan said sorry. There are groups that don’t even say sorry but try to cover it up, going as far as to punish those that talk (ie: Turks + Armenian genocide)
And morality is shown through not claiming a few islands that no one uses anyway?
I actually read somewhere that they make the atrocities seem less horrid than what they were in history books. But at least they recognize what they did.
And @outsider kpop
It’s a big dick fight. No one else even cares, I feel sorry or Kara to be in the middle or it.
That’s upsetting
Not knowing history- if it’s not taught, if it’s taught to avoid certain “offensive” areas, if it’s taught to make certain groups content, etc.- only screws you over later.
What the fuck is the point of saying sorry if you don’t do shit to back it up. I rape you, sorry. Then I go ahead and mug you afterwards. Is that alright? I kill your family, sorry and then steal all your stuff. Is that alright?
You’re the one with warped logic here.
And these little islands of absolutely no importance is the way to truly show that they’re sorry?
Or is that not enough? What do you consider to be an appropriate apology because this seems to be at point where even little islands that no one uses issue involved
That seems warped to me
Those little islands of no importance? Obviously you don’t know the value. Fishing grounds, natural gas, and maritime rights are all quite valuable things. That island was basically the first thing taken from Korea during Japan’s imperialistic venture into Korea. Its refusal to give it back? It’s like a slap in face where it seems like they’re not truly sorry. If I take things from your house, I should give them all back if I’m sorry. I just don’t pick and choose what to give back and say I’m sorry and end it at that.
1) there’s plenty of fish around Korea. One reason why their meals consist mostly of things from the ocean? Don’t tell me that these islands, whether they get them or not, will change that
2) Gas
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=ks&v=137
3) You’re being so ridiculous about this that it’s not even funny. Yes, what the Japanese did to Korea and many more was awful. Will these islands make a difference- a REAL difference- for both? No, because there will always be dick fights and resentment between those two. After these islands, there will be more things to pop up that you’ll feel the need to get in a huge fight over
I just hope you realize this goes back to the 1400s and not the 1940s.
I do, that’s why there’s a big pussy fight over it. They wouldn’t fight if they didn’t at least have some kind of case. However, the evidence still strongly favors Korea.
And honestly, if you read it. It seems pretty cut and dry. The only substantial historical claim Japan has over it is the Japan–Korea Treaty of 1904. Even at that, it was a coercive treaty which nullifies it.
If giving them the islands was enough to solve tensions between the two countries, it would be done by now.
The problem is the exact thing you couldn’t answer in kafkaf’s question: What is enough?
Even if you have an exact amount, not everybody will.
They need to own up to the comfort woman history and take whatever measures deemed necessary by Korea.
I would say there’s enough of a dispute to get the Dokdo/Takeshima issue settled in the ICJ. Personally, I think they will/should rule in favor of Korea, and it’s good to get a third party involved.
The rest of it is just right-wing nationalism for the sake of it, basically. And no, it’s not a coincidence that elections are in December. It’s also not a coincidence that this helps gloss over his record of corruption and silences Koreans who accuse him of being sympathetic to his Japanese roots.
That’s pretty poor logic considering you could extend that to literally any dispute, which just isn’t realistic.
It’s true. One could apply to everything. But, the fact that many don’t say something. It means that the victims already feel closure and see no need to obtain further apologies since they already received them. Which isn’t the case here. A substantial portion of the Korean peninsula feel animosity towards Japan and their past actions.
I’m going to use the Jewish population. They received their closure through stark admission and regret over what their government did. The German today ban nazism and have many museums highlighting their past war crimes and educating others for the purpose of avoiding the same type of thing.
We see no such thing from Japan. All we see is talk and no substance. This is why Dokdo is so important. It shows the Koreans that they’re not actually sorry. They’re just sorry they lost.
You always make everything into a bigger issue.
I was questioning your logic and you admit it was sketchy, so you try to compensate for that by ranting about the same stuff you have already done at least a half dozen times in this thread.
Lord.
You seem to do that a lot. Perhaps you’re trolling everybody, I dunno.
when will that guy learn when to shut up! it seems that sm took all big mouth that were in his trainee and put them in the same group. and kara i find it unfair that they blame them to not say anything , people should be free to express their opinions or not. idols are not some kind of politician i find it unfair to put them in that kind of position knowing that those idols are promoting in japan. and i’m just curious why in the world japan & korea seems that they can’t let go? didn’t all this happen during the second war when hitler & germany were busy destroying the whole europe but as i see here in europe the hate towards germany is kind of over. i’m just curious why the hate between korea & japan sems that can’t end . and before people jump on me , it’s an honest question i’m curious i listen to jrock & kpop but i don’t follow their story
Unfortunately, reasons to hate will always be found by people who are willing to hate.
Please someone jizz in Siwon’s mouth so that he can shut the fuck up
Both set of people handle the situation wrong , Siwon for being stupid and Kara for not knowing how to handle hard questions, silence makes you look like you have no idea what is going on. You don’t even have to give an opinion you just need to be able to talk around a subject
These companies spend so much time training these robots but when it comes to public relations they are lacking .
I don’t think the nationalists from both countries would let them talk around the subject.
Basically whatever they say would come off as an excuse for either side. It was better remain to remain quiet.
Agreed. There is really nothing they could say other than some long-winded variation of “no comment”.
Staying silent on the issue does piss off Koreans more than the Japanese, of course. Japan obviously wouldn’t expect a Korean girl group to declare the rocks Japanese.
But since most of Kara’s income comes from Japan, they’re better off having a few pissed-off Koreans than alienating their most profitable market.
I guess that I’m annoyed with the fact that Siwon thinks he is worth listening to because he’s the face of a freaking boyband
I think I remember his sexy but stupid self saying something along the lines of “I wanted to be an idol to have my face known.”
maybe he thinks that puts him in a position to actually be taken seriously when stating his opinion? He needs a slap to the face
And a spanking
By a burly guy wearing leather chaps.
NONONONONONO- we have to remember that this is Siwon that we are talking about here. Who would enjoy that more than him?
We would need a female so sexually twisted that a punishment for Siwon would be pleasurable for her.
I feel like we have plenty here….
Oh crap, you’re right.
Then he shall get this fate; http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/yttx80/futurama-death-by-snu-snu
The links aren’t working for me right now, I’m not sure why.
:(
I’m sure that it was a glorious knee-slapper
my fuCKING GOD.
it’s like pakistan and india.
time to go ram my head against a wall in frustration
Or like Lady Gaga vs her stylist
This is a controversy?
Japan should ban KARA because those bishes suck and Korea should disown them for not speaking up and for being garbage musically
nicole and gyuri are my bishes back off man before i release tifftiff on yo’ ass.
I don’t know any of them but I do know their music is unappealing
Its like you know nothing of kpop
I throw my shoe at you
But seriously pop & politics don’t go together but poop & politic do
Fucking rocks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0aVka8zmFw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
@Mybias
I hope you have small feet
I hate you.
That’s just business. It’s generally the case for smaller companies but for JYP and YG, I know if the old idols want to work for them, then they can.
Also it’s not like the idols don’t know about it. They know what they’re getting into so it’s not “cruel” in a sense.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9hoy4Fwx21rcf4nwo1_400.jpg
THIS BULLSHIT IS RIGGED!
Haha
G-Dragon slept with me because I’m hot… lol
taeyang went shopping with me, because i’m smart.
nightmare
He only wants me for my body! *sob sob*
he does not deserve you. cheat on him :)
(í prefer your witty, sexy and clever mind)
SCREW YOU! GD SHOULD BE SLEEPING WITH ME!!! And bearing his children…
I never understood how metro-sexual guys are a turn on for women.
Hey, who said that sex has to be limited to two people only? I’ll gladly share.
Meanwhile, what did you get?
@Tap That molester Seungri. He’s never gonna get any of this good stuff. >_< If only I was born 2 or 3 days later. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap5Sw3xsZhU
Siwon is a flamming douchebag. Nuff said. As for Kara I felt they did the right thing. But Siwon how dumb are you to do something like that while in Japan? Cmon at least wait til you are in the safety of your own country.
Agreed. Don’t give a fuck about what they think of a collection of rocks, or any kind of political stuff. Just make me good butt shaking music.
The loudest people are always the ones who know and understand the least.