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As expected, the recent political tensions between Japan and Korea have boiled over into their respective entertainment industries, and why not, right? Hell, who wouldn’t want political input from a bunch of kids who get paid to be half naked on stage?
Well anyway, the Korean media seems intent on hyping up this alleged anti-Hallyu Wave movement going on in Japan even if their own celebrities don’t think so.
The first victim of such policy changes is Song Il Guk. Previously on August 15, Song Il Guk participated in “Swim to Dokdo” celebrating the Independence Day of Korea. After this event, Japanese satellite TV broadcasting companies BS Nitpon and BS Japan postponed airing shows featuring Song Il Guk. Moreover, the deputy foreign minister Tsuyoshi Yamaguchi announced, “I’m sorry but it’ll be hard for him to come to Japan from now on. I think this is how the japanese people feel.”
Victim? He made his bed and now he has to lay in it. Props to him for standing up for what he believes in, but if you’re gonna piss people off who make the decisions in a country you’re trying to profit off of, then there are going to be consequences for that. Welcome to … uh … life?
It’ll help his popularity in Korea at least.
Other hallyu stars are also getting affected by recent political tension in Japan. Jang Geun Suk’s press conference for Sumimoto Mitsui credit card was scheduled for August 22, but was postponed until further notice. Some media outlets are continuously reporting stories on hallyu stars like Bae Yong Joon, Kwon Sang Woo, and Girls Generation‘ and their previous performances or known political stance regarding Dokdo, trying to propagandize against them.
Notice that they don’t cite the specific media outlets? That’s because it’s all the Japanese tabloids reporting it … because they’re tabloids. Of course, mainstream Korean media are tabloids themselves, hence their reporting on dubious shit like this.
According to a news report made in Japan on August 28, a lot of hallyu fans are rejecting “hallyu boycott” altogether. Famous hallyu fan and writer Minori Kitahara wrote, “Politics and culture have no relationship whatsoever. I hope the politicians don’t try to take away women’s joy by continuing this meaningless fight.” Another fan wrote, “If the sovereignty conflict wipes hallyu stars out of Japan, there will be civil war. All the housewives are going to come out onto the streets and protest!”
Wow, it’s almost as if the Japanese public … doesn’t give a shit about this or something! But hey, why let that stop you from reporting on it like the National Enquirer, right?
And that leads to the next story, which is about the Japanese foreign affairs secretary Gemba Koichiro allegedly throwing away his KARA shit.
The source told, “Foreign affairs secretary Koichiro Gemba stated ‘President Lee Myung Bak‘s visit to Takeshima (Dokdo‘s Japanese name) is an unlawful occupation’ at the congress meeting. After the meeting, he came into the waiting area and let out a deep sigh. After the congress passed a bill to submit official complaint regarding president Lee’s recent visit to Takeshima, Gemba threw out all of his favorite Kara CDs.”
The visual of this is fucking hilarious.
“OH GOD, WHAT ARE THEY DOING?! THESE POLITICS ARE UNFORGIVABLE!
…
WHERE’S ALL MY KARA SHIT?! I GOTTA DUMP IT RIGHT MEOW!”
Priorities, man.
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So shit is hitting the fan, right? Japan fucking hates Hallyu Wave, right?
Jang Geun Suk says … nah.
A representative from Jang Geun Suk’s management, Tree-J Entertainment, told OSEN, “The Sumitomo Mitsui Card press conference has been postponed in order to make solid preparations.” And further stated, “This delay is not the result of the anit-hally movement.”
The official continued, “Jang Geun Suk has experienced similar changes in the past where scheduled events become delayed or even cancelled. This really isn’t a big deal.”
A scheduling change that happens all the time?! Not a wide reaching conspiracy theory?! Not a big deal?!
Well fuck, that’s boring, huh? I guess rational thinking can be.
Maybe the next story will be about Jang Geun Suk being a traitor or something.
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It is illegal to broadcast Japanese music and dramas in Korea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Japanese_media_in_South_Korea
Even if there were an anti-hallyu sentiment growing in Japan, it would seem a bit hypocritical for Korea to bitch about it, wouldn’t it?
I understand the history and where the anti-Japanese sentiment in Korea comes from. But you can’t complain about an anti-hallyu movement in Japan (whether real or not) when you still have a ban on broadcasting Japanese media in Korea.
A-FREAKING-MEN
Oh wow. I thought they lifted the ban in 2004.
They’ve eased up on it, so you can buy japanese albums, manga, anime, movies, and shit, but they still don’t show j-dramas or play music on air or anything. It’s stupid, and recently politicians have been considering removing it, but haven’t yet.
Fucking this
Really ????
But a lot of idols say that they enjoy watching/listening to japanese dramas/songs…how is that ?
It’s a ban on broadcasting (TV, radio, etc).
You can still watch a Japanese movie or listen to Japanese music. But you won’t see Japanese dramas on TV or hear Japanese music on the radio.
They play Japanese dramas and music videos on Korean TV. There’s even a channel dedicated to Japanese music videos.
Is it cable TV?
Maybe this is a ban on over-the-air broadcasting.
Either way, doesn’t change the fact that they’re hypocrites.
wooooooow Korea.
True.
Jang Geun Suk gives no shits.
Steady stay swimming in money despite your political shit.
They will probably have to take the poor boy’s Korean citizenship for betraying his motherland.
I’m not a historian, so can someone explain what’s their beef about? I mean, those islands are worthless, so are they a metaphore for some deeper shit?
@Tap: japan occupied korea from 1910. after this it was forced labour, comfort women for the military brothels etc. japanese robbed the country.
you know, this is the same what happened to us.
Koreans are not yet beyond this
This I know. But half of the world (yes, including our part of the globe) shares similar history, and it doesn’t seem to be that much of a problem.
But those two are still going at it, so I just wonder if there was something else?
It’s in living memory and there were no “sincere” apology as of yet. (sincere is in quotations since that is debatable.) And, Korea has always been a nationalistic country and Japan is just the most recent asshole to fight with. A bit more minor but kinda reason, if it weren’t for Japan, Korea wouldn’t be separated.
the goddamn pride of the nations.
There’s actually cold hard cash involved here. Whichever government losing will have to pay hundreds of million in USD to those holding fishing rights. Then there will be lost tax revenue from fishing. And the sea around disputed islands is clean and productive. Then there’s potential natural gas deposit.
that dudes got a face i just wanna sit…how attractive
Sit what?
Face sitting and butt raping are popular here. Love it. Also wanted to sit on your face once.
And you changed your fucking nickname – how will I recognize you from now on? So confusing.
Haha I changed the name to something short the previous was kind of on the long side
Thanks for changing your nick, this makes my life so much easier.
I like this one better :)
Much better
you nick name is long but mine is just pure troll awesome
The guy looks as high as 5 G-Dragons.
but he is no really tall.
Drug high
my lacking english :)
I thought so too, puls the fact that the left side of his face does not match the right side doesn’t really help.
and his chin are small.
has anyone seen G-druggin lately? he looks like CL with short hair
I fucking say its truth man
http://www.allkpop.com/2012/09/g-dragon-introduces-new-track-missing-you
G-Dragon makes a hotter chick than CL – but her body is banging.
i want skinned him..slowly, and i dont know why.
She’s on my list of women I’d go gay for simply because of her body
I wouldn’t go that far cause she still looks like a fucking gremlin.
But her body in those low cut jeans is masturbation worthy. I would like to behead her and instead put Nana’s head on her body (actually I’d like to put Nana’s head on every girl’s body so I can fuck anyone without being disgusted).
Actually kafkaf… I just realized this while looking at your avatar… CL and Jung Juri resemble each other alot.
The fuck, mind blown. This will haunt me forever – we need to see a CL&Jung Juri porn, like right now!
BOTH WOULD MAKE ME DIE HAPPY IF I SAW THEM NAKED
….
You too Minnie ;)
Yea, looks legit:
http://i48.tinypic.com/23j1iyw.png
http://www.kpopwall.com/image/2ne1-cl-18.jpg
I see no difference (also I am god when it comes to paint – don’t try to tell me any different, won’t believe you jelly people anyways)
And I also want to see you naked, kafkaf,
grinding your wet pussy against my knee, that’d be awesome.
@no_min
If CL only had GD’s girlish looks and kelp her body things would be better. Way better
I wonder what that would look like and naked?
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0sz5hDGix1qkosss.gif
Have you seen this??
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/558705_3630906571394_871636961_n.jpg
He have never looked like man this much before
he is scary and ugly, like a bad drag queen
lol:D
in the movie – To Wong Foo Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar – all the “boys” were adorable :) and looked more better :)
OHMYGOD yes. Or a creepy ass clown
He could debut in SNSD looking like that.
ROFL
He could, and Sunny would still be the ugliest one. God, that girl is a cockblock.
That’s right.
Sunny is the ugly cockblocking friend that hot chicks take out to clubs and every guy hates.
Those ugly sluts won’t let any guy get near their guuuurlfriend.
biggest boobs in snsd though. not saying much but still.
He could prolly debut in SNSD & nearly every other group too like that
Not Kara or AfterSchool since they have too many hot bitches.
@No_Min
T-ara is really hot too
T-Ara & After School = best looking Kpop groups
That’s actually true. We need to add T-ara. Completely forgot about them even though they are all over the place.
miss a is pretty fucking hot too
and secret- all above average in there
I’m kinda curious, why is Japan making Dokdo so mainstream in its politics? From what I can gather it’s not that big of an issue in the common populace. Why not just concede the damn islands and move on, are they scared of the social implications or something?
nah than it wouldn’t be nationalism
Isn’t there anything better? But if they aren’t giving up Dokdo for nationalistic reasons, then the Japanese are truly shameful, moreso than the Koreans because of the time 1900-1945.
what. do you really not grasp the idea of international politics or are you just trolling cause seriously dude
Dude. What does Japan have to lose by conceding the islands? It’s a positive gesture in the Pacific scene, everyone won’t hate them as much. Pray, tell me. oh learned one, what about international politics stop them from doing it?
Natural resources, which they have limited amounts of as it is, which is the reason they needed to secure Manchuria during WW2 to supply their empire regardless of expansion plans that already existed. Which is also why they attacked America, because America was cutting them off from what they usually imported from us.
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Besides, in politics, you don’t just cede ground because it makes you look weak and opens the door. If Japan cedes ground here, it sets a precedent for all their disputes that they have better claim over like with China and Taiwan and Russia.
It’s not hard to discern, IMO.
Just wait until the older generation dies off and all that will be left of these right-wing psychos are the losers on 2chan and nobody worth a shit respects them.
Jesus Krist (done on purpose), it’s like children quarrelling for the best toy in a sand box. They need to get over it.
Also, he really does look high (or just plain exhausted). Those eyes are so red…
Peasants.
jang geun seuk is my man.
I find it really stupid maybe im just wrong on this .but if Korea can ban Japanese music and dramas then why cant japan do the same ? i mean let Korea have a taste of their own medicine .
its like they think they can do stuff to someone and think it wont happen to them . i would love to see if they banned Korean idols from performing for 3 months and let them see how it feels .
even though i like K-pop and stuff sometimes Korea go way to far . i wished someone would do the exact same thing to them to let them know what it feels like . but then again i know that would never happen . =__=
Dude ikr. I just wish Korea could occupy Japan for a good 20-30 years and see how they would feel. Fuckers should get a dose of the medicine they gave us, then we’ll see how much they’ll want to keep insisting Dokdo is there’s.
yea thats true . i mean but with the j-drama’s and music not being board cast in Korea i think Japan should do the same to Korea so they know how it feels .
but i believe that everyone should get a taste of their own medicine but then the world would be gone by then ! so i guess acting out and doing what they did to you would be the same as them .
so in the end nothing will be settled and more problems will arise !
Korean nationalism is disgusting much like nationalism of any flavor yes, but your revenge fantasies don’t help anyone~
If everyone took revenge, I’d be fucking dead by now because the country I live in fucked up big time in the last century.
So nah, not interested.
@outsiderkpop
Imagine if korea would act out in revenage? Maybe the hallyu wave is the revenage not Dodko.
Your english is becoming progressively worse. What the heck happened? Traumatic head injury? Bad keyboard? A bad drug? You make absolutely no sense.
I just don’t have time to troll these days. So my online grammer is getting worse. I usually do this between classes on my phone. Other than that its projects,school work and masturbation.
You were never alive during the Japanese occupation so why the hell are you so nationalistic about it?
Todays Jews weren’t alive during the holocaust, why are they so defensive about it. because it happened to my brethren, my.fellow.Korean, my neighbor, my pastor, my teacher, etc. we never received the apology and reparation we deserved. and Japan isn’t really.sorry, so duck them
Did you really just compare an EXTERMINATION to Imperialism? You act like the Japanese went to Korea to kill every Korean they saw. Haha you want an “apology”?? can you apologize for the Vietnamese massacre the South Koreans did to innocent civilians that neither you nor your parents have done? See the fucking stupidity?
And did every German want to kill the Jews? No, but they condoned it. They are the ones that allowed the Nazi’s to power, they are the one who allowed the evil killings.
The Japanese wanted to kill all the Koreas, simple as that. But why didn’t they? Because they sent to slave camps, used them as sex slaves, imported them as slaves in Japan, used them as cannon fodder at the front, pressed them into naval service, made them help the very nation they detested. That’s what they did. Oh they were the Nazi’s of the East. Same disgusting pigs who thought they were the “master” fucking race for God know’s why.
And yes. I’m willing to apologize about the atrocities committed in Vietnam, what makes you think I’m not? They are the horrible things my nation did in the name of supporting our nation. We built the nation on the blood, sweat, and tears of both our people and others. It would be unfair for us to not acknowledge what we did there, is it not?
PS: We may have been assholes in some areas, but we were well-liked in many other places in Vietnam. http://books.google.com/books/about/Vietnam_war.html?id=C4tuAAAAMAAJ
Why are you apologizing to me? my whole point was that you shouldn’t be because you yourself has never committed those crimes so it’d be asinine for me to tell you personally to apologize on their behalf as it holds no weight. Japan’s “apology” and “reparations” are questionable, however, I have read about Japan giving Korea money but the government never told their own people til the 21st century. Stop comparing these two separate atrocities, it doesn’t give you much credit. “Oh this was bad.. and so was ours!” is what you’re coming out as. All you want is revenge, nothing good will come from it.They got nuked twice and is US’s bitch, is that still not enough for you?
Oh btw Korea still didn’t apologize about the viet massacre just “regret” should I tell my people to travel to South Korea and did what they did to “us”?
http://www.humanrights.asia/news/urgent-appeals/UA0700
Maybe this can change your views? xoxo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXqWJNOAX8M
It’s foolish to say that it holds no weight. It holds weight to the listener as it may provide emotional closure. That’s enough weight isn’t it? That’s the whole point with apologies, even after a lot of time passed, our nation as a whole endured a tragedy. So in order to overcome that tragedy without having it fester, we require an apology from the nation of Japan which still refuses to apologize properly of their transgressions towards its neighbors.
Yeah I read about that too. Messed up shit, shoulda given the money.
If that is what it sounds like, then it seems you understood it well. That’s my point. That shit was bad and so is this. There’s no reason to belittle one because of another.
Nothing good you say? You’re deluding yourself with idealism.
I’m not satisfied with them being nuked. In fact, I dislike that they got nuked. It made them get that stupid ass victim complex going on. I realize it’s a better alternative than Operation Downfall, but fuck you Mac. You and your stupid ass policies made this whole shithole. And we’re US’s bitch too, so what about that?
If you want. Go ahead. It’s totally justified. Under my line of thinking, you’re clear to go. Now this where I become a hypocrite, I don’t want you to. Why? Because South Korea doesn’t deserve to. Why? Because it’s my country.
It’s cringe worthy to hear “us” and “we” like you were actually apart of something.
??
I could say the same thing about Japan. They may have done bad things in the past but other countries today(except obviously China+Korea) hold them on high regard. What’s you’re point again?
My point was, Japan is an asshole and should apologize and give back everything they took and a bit more from Korea. I don’t give a fuck if other countries hold a high regard of them. They didn’t get brutally occupied by them.
Well to get on your level, i’ll compare.
Your arguments about Korea and Japan are only a miniscule of 50 years, meanwhile China has been fucking with Vietnam(and it’s neighbors) for 2000 years and still are til this very day but do you see a lot of viets preaching about how China should apologize and suffer for what they did for 2k years? No, because they live in the present. Please shut the fuck up with your brainwashed nationalistic hypocritical sympathy wanting bullshit. Maybe you should read up on your own countries history from other non-korean resources, because did you know? some koreans also sold out their country to japan or did you think that every korean were fighting the japanese bravely?
I find that going over thousands of year is more petty. Why? Because it’s not in living memory. We still have women traumatized about being gangraped daily by Japanese soldiers. We still have orphans, with their fathers and mothers killed. Perhaps that wound will heal over time. But I don’t want pain to last longer than it should. That’s why I want them to apologize so much, so that they can receive closure over their wounds.
You honestly think I don’t know that? Some people think I’m a batshit insane idiot. Those people also deserve to be punished, that’s why they’re also being found and rooted out.
If it’s happening over a thousand year period and still happens to this day, I’d say her point falls within the parameters you’ve set.
It full well does, and I guess I read it wrong. Read it as 2000 years ago. Vietnam is only because it got overshadowed by the most recent asshole. Korea and USA.
Why punish people who weren’t the actual ones doing the occupation? How many of those who occupied Korea are alive today? While knowing the history of this is extremely important, wanting this whole “revenge” thing doesn’t make sense. It sounds like you believe that someone should be held responsible for a crime their ancestor committed.
Calm your freaking self down. You don’t see Armenians acting this way when land was taken away from them, you don’t see Jews blaming every single bad thing to happen on Nazis or Egypt. They freaking moved on. Sure, there is still resentment, but not on your level dude.
Stop being such an buzz kill. It’s difficult to get off
He’s being defensive but it’s not hard to believe, can you really accept and forgive the Turks for what they did to our people? Grandma’s family? The area where she lived doesn’t even exist anymore kaffern it was totally wiped out. Her family was killed or sent to Iran. I know Japan has admitted and apologized to what they did and Turkey hasn’t but admitting doesn’t really mean that much and who really gives a fuck anyway.. You shouldn’t blame/attack/criticize Japan for what their grandparents did it’s not hard to believe that there would still be resentment, that’s a typical human reaction. I can’t look at Turks without having a bad feeling in my gut because of what they did, but I still don’t hate MOST of them for the genocide.
Just expect resentment because not everyone is going to get over massacres of their people done less than a century ago, they’re going to still be pissy and angry and I don’t really blame them. Blacks are still upset about slavery and that was abolished 150 years ago. AG was 100. WW2 was 50.
I know this was sloppily written but I don’t give a fuck.
Oh fuck I just read the Korea should occupy Japan and give them a taste of their own medicine shit never mind. I literally hate everyone literally and I literally still wouldn’t do that to Turkey. Most of Turkey.
Alright. How the fuck am I punishing anyone by asking for reparations? It’s like credit card debt, it keeps going down in your family. It’s literally, give back what you stole from me.
Now, as to why today’s generation can be criticized. The fact that they’re not sorry is a big indicator. The current generation isn’t at all apologetic for their actions of their former generation, instead, it maintains the same disgusting “master” race attitude through not returning stolen lands and goods. It isn’t as prominent but it sure as hell is there. They may not actively pursue a re-emergence of the empire, but they definitely aren’t sorry for it.
You make it sound like it happened thousands of years ago. It didn’t, it happened a mere 70ish years ago.
On the Armenians, are you fucking kidding me? Armenians are not over the fucking massacre, it’s the core part of their foreign policy. What dope are you smoking? There are most definitely people on my level and beyond my level. They had guerilla groups fighting and killing Turks.
On the Jews, the Germans actually bothered to pay back the Jews properly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany Unlike Good ol’ Japan here, who doesn’t want to admit that they commit war crimes and keeps being a bitch about their history. But, they’re still protesting random bullshit today, even after being treated so relatively well compared to Japan and Korea.
To make one great conclusion. Japanese fuckers aren’t sorry for their history of atrocities, they’re only sorry they lost. It’d be one thing if they were, but they’re not and they’re perpetuating the same disgusting behavior of their forefathers. Go learn from Germany assholes. In fact, they have a victim complex, go figure.
http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/DH%20articles/WW%20II/koshiro.pdf Page 436, footnote 28
@outsiderkpop
there are so many things wrong and warped with your comment that i don’t even know where to begin
1) vietnam- explain that you hypocritical nationalist
2) proof please of this “master” mentality. it seems like japan doesnt give a shit about korea, especially when they’re concentrating on being one of the most important countries in the world
3)”reparations”. you are messed up in the head just for saying that. the fact that you think that people who didn’t commit a crime to be held responsible for it just makes everything that you’ve typed up seem more invalid and fucked up.
4) go to google. type in “japan apo” and you’ll find “korea korea korea”. they seem to have apologized more than once. not only that, they paid up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%E2%80%93Korea_disputes#Japanese_compensation_to_Korea_for_colonial_rule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Basic_Relations_between_Japan_and_the_Republic_of_Korea#Compensation
http://www.jiyuushikan.org/e/reparations.html
Armenians didn’t even get their land handed back to them. Armenians for the most part have accepted it. Not only that, Turkey still rejects anything that so much as hints to the genocide being a genocide. Japan recognized what they did and paid up.
http://www.japanprobe.com/2010/02/12/yet-another-japanese-apology-to-korea/
Honestly, i don’t have such a problem with the resentment you must feel, or how you feel like they haven’t paid up enough. it’s the fact that you believe that the Japanese now must suffer for the crimes of their ancestors, which is just plain evil, if not insane
Hm. You’re a Japanese sympathizer, you obviously won’t accept what I’m saying out of bias, but I’ll try anyways.
Vietnam- We did fucked up shit there, we should apologize and give reparations.
Master Race- Eh, at least they used to. I don’t got no evidence for modern times since google failing me. But the fact that they don’t care about a former victim and still fucking them over is pretty asshole to me. Them not caring about Korea isn’t something that supports your position.
Reparations- Their nation at least partially was supported and raised with our own nation’s resources and people. It only makes sense to pay back in one form in or another. Why do we have affirmative action or indian reserves? Pell grants? Or at least give back the cultural artifacts.
Japanese apologies- insincere. Why? Because Dokdo. If they were actually sorry they wouldn’t do stuff like this. Money compensation, soft loans are a bitch since you have to pay them back. and 300 million dollars for a 30 year brutal occupation? Dokdo fucking Island is worth billions. Fuck you.
Armenians still claim the portion in Turkey,. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia%E2%80%93Turkey_relations#Border_dispute just saying. And Armenia has its own huge problems anyways. Japan admit it begrudgingly, which is a sign of insincerity, and paid a meager amount in comparison to what it took. What’s the point of apologizing if you’re not going to back it up with actual moves of sincerity. Money can’t buy everything.
Then living Japanese people from the Japanese Empire should have all their land confiscated and given to Korea. Better?
i cant even
i’m not more a sympathizer than you are sane. it’s just your whole argument and thought process
you aren’t even bringing up good arguments and keep contradicting yourself (as seen with the hunny convo)
i’m not even going to waste my time
Point to me a contradiction. You claim I have many of them.
I don’t have good arguments? I think I have very compelling arguments.
@outsiderkpop
Damn its go hard or go home with you on this subject. Clear some things up
1) Germans since after WW2 have silence the Nazi party and dismantle the regine. It is illegal to use any form of Nazi propaganda publicly in Germany. Many childern are taught never to praise the Nazi party or their power. If you ask Germans today how they feel about Nazis. They will most likely say “I hate them.” Many Germans today hold a stronger prejudice against Turks than any other culture of people.
-I don’t know how Japan tackles explaining WW2 to their youth. I wonder if Japan has gone great lengths to instill the negative affects of imperialistic Japan. So it should never again rise into power. That would be more insightful to your argument.
2) if you are going to compare imperialism to slavery, than you are speaking of two issues. The first a racial caste system that force the person to identify race as a way to differ to show minority. Second how this is used in Japan that affects the quailty of life for a Korean who may live there and/or vice versa.
Blacks are piss off at slavery because of its social impact on our society that doesn’t allow it to go away. The whole concept of race category came from slavery. It was legally put into action to define who has rights and why. This implication effects us today and not just blacks but EVERY minority in this nation. Its a much bigger issue than just some negros were enslave xamount of years ago and can’t get over it.
Both Korea and Japan express their distaste and bias point of view towards foreigners. But how far does this prejudice goes? Is it true Korea bans Japanese music,programs,etc? I don’t believe that but if Korea or Japan enforce racial bias behavior in their educational,professtional,governmental and economic social systems. Meaning place into a ‘rule of law’ to legally follow. Than that would be on the grounds of what slavery has created xamount of years ago.
Well if you want to be technical about it, the Japanese did give reparations, but the Korean government spent it on developing the economy instead of giving it to individuals.
They kept that a secret for four decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Basic_Relations_between_South_Korea_and_Japan#Compensation
I posted the article from The Chosun Ilbo in a post before.
Like I’ve always said, the governments are your enemy, on both sides, not the people.
Want your justice? Ask the Korean government where the compensation money is.
I know the Germans did that, and I respect the way they did it. Japan should have emulated them.
I’m comparing Imperialis and Slavery since they go hand in hand. I’m gonna be concise with this. Japan treated Koreans like second class citizens and slaves. Comprendo?
I know about that. Did you really think I wouldn’t know how the Korean government didn’t hand it out? It was morally wrong, but in a strictly utilitarianism sense, I think it’s justified.
And Japan didn’t pay enough. IMO of course. Oh, and I’d rather have them just pay back in money or land or whatever thing they took in the exact amount they took from Korea accounting for inflation. Of course lives are invaluable, so you gotta add a bit more cash. And make being a right wing Imperialist be illegal. That would be nice. And… say sorry through all politicians on the national level due the really deep bow and destroy that stupid shrine in one go. That would show something.
Now that won’t ever happen, but that’s ideal to me.
Oh and Japan instills a victim complex.
Yeah, you’re never going to find me advocating for the limitation of freedom of speech. Ever.
The rest is fine.
You can’t put a monetary amount on it, that’s for mediators to settle. If you wanted more, then it’s not the fault of the Japanese government, blame it on the Korean government for settling. Why don’t you ever do that? I think I know why…
They’ve already apologized, honestly. Not sure how many different ways that can happen.
The shrine can’t be destroyed because it worships all war dead, but they can get rid of the war criminals, IMO.
Honestly, most of what you want is already done, yet you still talk about it like nothing has been done. And you’re not even really Korean. It amazes me.
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As an aside, I can’t be the only one who finds it ironic that the state of the Korean economy today was helped a ton by Japan’s desire to industrialize and take over Asia.
Now THERE is something that nobody will actually acknowledge.
@IATFB
The last paragraph, I said something very similar on antikpopfangirl once, people just laughed at me. All I got was a “are you kidding me” response, no counter argument or anything lol.
It’s just the facts of the matter.
Doesn’t make what they did right, but it’s true even if it sucks.
Limitation of free speech is completely justified in my opinion when it involves nazism and the sort. There is nothing positive in those discussions that would outweigh any of the negative outcomes. It only cooks and cultivates hatred.
Why don’t I blame them? Well I do, sort of. They should have asked for more, but they weren’t exactly in the best position. We were desperate to get what we could.
Yes, yes. We all know that Japan has delivered public messages of apologies. Now back to that stupid shrine of theirs glorifying war criminals? Or Dokdo where they won’t give back the very first land they took? Or their reluctant admittance of Comfort Women, where even today they don’t feel like re-admitting or apologizing for it even though there’s huge public sentiment. Or their pitiful education of the public of their atrocities. All these point to insincerity. What the hell is the point of an apology? They’re totally missing the spirit of it.
I mean I guess.
More more more. They may have done a lot of what I said, but in a half-assed attempt. They didn’t do enough at their apology attempts.
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Now this is actually debatable. Sure, they industrialized a portion of Korea but also limited Korea’s growth too. Their forceful and biased education, and most resources went straight to Japan. If we got anything from them, I would say it would be the economic model.
The Korean war basically destroyed everything anyways. I would find it a bit of a mistake to say that Japan helped Korea’s economy hugely through the colonization.
Personally, I might argue that because of Japan’s occupation, the Koreas separated and the Korean war happened. They gave the opportunity for the Communists to take power and through that, “started’ the war. For if they didn’t get into a war, Korea would have been greatly helped by America in an attempt to curb the Chinese and Russians in the Pacific region.
“Limitation of free speech is completely justified in my opinion when it involves nazism and the sort.”
Nah, that’s how people justify limitations of other free speech as well. They don’t like what’s being said or don’t agree with it. Label it extremism and ban it. Then you’re China and you wonder how it happened.
I welcome hate speech. Want to hate on Asians? Go ahead, I say. Says more about you and the people who follow you than it does about me.
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“Yes, yes. We all know that Japan has delivered public messages of apologies. Now back to that stupid shrine of theirs glorifying war criminals? Or Dokdo where they won’t give back the very first land they took? Or their reluctant admittance of Comfort Women, where even today they don’t feel like re-admitting or apologizing for it even though there’s huge public sentiment. Or their pitiful education of the public of their atrocities. All these point to insincerity.”
That’s not what you demanded in your post though. You demanded that they apologize and they did.
See the importance of making things clear? Then when you say “it’s not enough” after not making things clear, it makes your demands seem never ending and it doesn’t solve conflict.
It’s similar to how the government accepted payment. Now how can they go back asking for more? They needed to get it right the first time, IMO.
If I ask you how much I owe you for a job, I pay you, then you feel you could have got more and come back asking for more, I’m likely to tell you to fuck off, right? Well the only reason Japan would consider compensating further is because of political tensions and the seriousness of the crimes. In any other situation, this would be a complete “fuck off” moment.
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“The Korean war basically destroyed everything anyways. I would find it a bit of a mistake to say that Japan helped Korea’s economy hugely through the colonization.”
The Korean war was in the 1950s. The compensation was in the 1970s. Nothing is really overly simple, of course. Without the Korean war, there may have never been authoritarian Korean government rule, which directly assisted the start of the Miracle On The Han River.
The argument obviously isn’t over whether colonization was positive or not. It obviously wasn’t. The point is that it’s just always more than a tad hilarious to me that Asian countries hate each other so much without realizing they are responsible for each other’s success in one way or another.
This shouldn’t shock logical people since our histories are all intertwined, but hey, why use logic when nationalism could replace it?
Slippery slope fallacy, n’est-ce pas? Germany banned nazism and they seem to have quite the free speech.
What I demanded are sincere apologies. Thought I made that clear.
I understand what you’re coming from, but I feel that wrongfully applies here. Korea and Japan were pressured from America to make that treaty and Japan knew that Korea relied on America and therefore couldn’t make an extravagant demands. We were forced to short sell our compensation and I feel cheated. Add to that the San Francisco treaty which Japan keeps using, we didn’t have fair representation at the negotiations.
I think a more accurate analogy would be: A group of thugs break into a house and kill several of the inhabitants. The remaining inhabitants are hospitalized and are desperate for hospital fees so they must short sell the compensation money from the thieves. When the recuperate they are finally able to see the full extent of what was taken and destroyed, they then try to exact the fair amount taken from them.
Well now you’re changing, you said that Japan’s ambition to industrialize and take over the rest of Asia helped Korea’s economy. That’s what I was contesting, I’m not denying that Japan in some shape or form “helped” Korea’s economy. We basically stole their products for some time and copied their economic model, which turned out out
to be quite successful, with of course a touch of our own economic planners.
Unnecessary hatred of nationalism, but why be logical when you’re ignoring the emotions of one’s brethren? It sickens me when I have to see victims of Japan’s dirty sex slavery have to protest in front of the Japanese embassy in order for them to raise awareness. It sickens me to see victims of unit 731 on wikipedia. Am I supposed to magically “move on” through ignoring pain and suffering? Logic alone doesn’t constitute a person.
Why not both? Both logical and nationalistic.
“Slippery slope fallacy, n’est-ce pas? Germany banned nazism and they seem to have quite the free speech.”
I believe in a government that allows completely free speech.
It’s not a fallacy when there’s a track record of this happening historically.
Germany has less freedom of speech than the US. Also, their speech/symbolism bans hasn’t prevented right-wing groups nor Neo-Nazism, so your inference that banning speech will prevent hatred doesn’t work either. If it would make you feel better, then wonderful, but I’m about making actual difference, not doing stuff as a moral facade.
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“What I demanded are sincere apologies. Thought I made that clear.”
That demand, in itself, is general and unclear. Again dude…
“Well now you’re changing, you said that Japan’s ambition to industrialize and take over the rest of Asia helped Korea’s economy. That’s what I was contesting, I’m not denying that Japan in some shape or form ‘helped’ Korea’s economy.”
Well it did. They didn’t mean to but they did. You admit as much. So did the compensation.
“Unnecessary hatred of nationalism.”
I hate it when it leads people to make illogical decisions. It does that a lot. America is good at it as well.
“Why not both? Both logical and nationalistic.”
lol
You say things like this but it’s your emotional reactions that lead you to eventually admit you get a bit overextended and overexcited in your arguments whenever this issue comes up. That’s exactly the problem with getting emotional and it’s why the system is designed to avoid as much of that type of thing as possible when making decisions.
Anyway, it’s a broken record with you whenever Japan/Korea come up. You have your nationalist views despite not actually being Korean, which is stupid as fuck to me, but whatever, your life. I have my “everybody should do things logically and do whatever to facilitate peace” shit that I just repeat in different ways to you.
I see no point in continuing this between us indefinitely when it’s the same thing every time. I know you like to troll here for reactions or whatever, but I have shit to do and we’ve both made our opinions clear.
Doesn’t matter if you respond or not, I’ll put in my final say.
Alright, so maybe it won’t work so well on stopping right-wing hate groups. It’s the gesture that counts. Which is what I’m getting at. The closure of the victims is most important and that is one method to achieve that goal.
So… I guess I burned you out? Whatever then, until next time when Dokdo comes up again. What makes you think I’m not Korean? I am Korean, I wouldn’t be such a bitch about Dokdo if I wasn’t.
I’m not trying to be derisive.
I’m just saying that going forward I’m not going to engage you in this topic unless something new comes up because we both already know where we stand on the issue. We disagree, that’s fine. Whatever.
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I mean that you’re American, not actually Korean. Just like I’m American and every other Asian born in America is.
Either way, it’s not really relevant since I don’t like American nationalism as justification for stupidity either.
Japanese music videos, dramas, and movies are not banned from being broadcast on Korean TV.
really ?
Well, they could be “banned”, but they are still shown on TV. Just last night I saw some J-drama. Don’t remember the name though. They even show Japanese softcore porn, late at night only.
Now that I think about it… I saw Dragon Ball and Hello Kitty on Korean TV.
Is this cable TV or over-the-air broadcast? There may be a difference, as far as the law goes.
You realize Japanese companies profit off K-pop, right?
In a way, K-pop is free money for them without having to develop/search for talent themselves.
… I wish more Jpop fans stopped ignoring this.. well rather, more anti-Kpop Jpop fans because it’s annoying as heck when many go on and on about how “Korean companies are so greedy! It’s obvious that they’re after money since they keep debuting all their artists in Japan! Not one of them even tried to help the victims of 3/11! All they cared about were concerts!!!” …..as if every Japanese artist and companies are the complete opposite…. *sighs*
I find it hypocritical for any Korean for wanting Japan to apologize sincerely when Korea has yet to have done the same to the Vietnamese massacre.
Too much hate on Japan for the past, that’s been done, it’s over. Why do we have to fight our parents/grandparents battle? We’re in a new era that has to do with us and not our ancestors.
THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFT35S7Jb4
Why would jang geun seuk say anything other than “nah” when he’s trying to make money over there
I feel like as long as he can make a lot of money from Japan, this attitude will continue. Once he loses popularity, he might say shit about Japan to stay relevant somewhat popular in Korea
Ask those who already have spoken out about it.
Sometimes it just seems like Korea is using the whole anti-hallyu wave sentiment as an excuse for why most of they’re artists flop so hard in japan.
I know a couple people in Japan and no one has a problem with it other than that it’s extremely annoying to see it shoved in your face everywhere you go. They do get angry however when Koreans hate on Japan and yet still expect to profit from them.
The world is nice
I wish Drake would take his herb ass back to Canada…..just saying
But if Drizzy goes back who’s going to rap with Weezy? Think about all the swag that America will loose.
Lil Wayne is a joke, Young Money is a Joke…mainstream rap is a joke
The word SWAG…
He looks high high.