
In Korea, people have no idea why us crazy Americans love Psy, but within his popularity is a lesson for future Korean artists who want to break into the market.
“People are surprised — bewildered, really — at his popularity abroad,” says Susan Kang, chief evangelist for Soompi.com, the mammoth online site dedicated to Korean pop music. “You have people saying, ‘We have all these beautiful guys and girls that have tried to break through to the U.S. market with little success. So why PSY?’ But of course they are embracing it to the fullest, and it’s causing a renewed interest in and respect for his music.”
“My motto is ‘be funny but not stupid,’” PSY told Korea’s Yonhap News Agency. “I think the humor targeted for social outsiders reflected throughout the song, dance and music video really hit the bull’s eye.”
Not all social outsiders — at least not initially. “I didn’t make this for foreign countries,” he said. “This was always for local fans.”
But that may actually be a part of “Gangnam Style”‘s transnational allure. Susan Kang of Soompi recently spoke to former K-pop idol Danny Im (of the boy band 1TYM) about PSY’s out-of-the-blue success, and says that his take on was quite insightful. “He said all the K-pop groups trying to enter the U.S. market are singing songs they think Americans will like, which at the end of the day, makes them foreigners trying to sing Western-style songs,” says Kang. “What sets Psy apart is that his song and video are completely catered to the Korean audience, in terms of style and humor. He wasn’t trying to make it in the U.S., so what we saw was something completely novel and unexpected.”
Three key quotes in here.
1) “We have all these beautiful guys and girls that have tried to break through to the U.S. market with little success. So why PSY?”
2) “I didn’t make this for foreign countries,” he said. “This was always for local fans.”
3) “He said all the K-pop groups trying to enter the U.S. market are singing songs they think Americans will like, which at the end of the day, makes them foreigners trying to sing Western-style songs.”
Honestly? This entire article was like one big verification of the thoughts of TESTAMENTVM‘s post here.
No one in America wants to see a bunch of Asians get on stage and do a vocal cover of Beyonce or a rap cover of Eminem. Contrast that to the way Korean variety shows are styled, where idols are constantly given opportunities to show their vocal covers and their dance skills.
What stood out to me was the last quote from Mr. Harrell – “…you hear two bars – Oh, my God, that’s Rihanna”. What this really says is that vocal talent is important, but what’s even more crucial is individuality, something unmistakably you.
Note that Mr. Hicks doesn’t talk about talent, or things that are quantifiable, or measurable. He talks about qualitative, subjective things. Mr. Hicks’ decision to highlight qualities like belief and authenticity — necessarily skipping over the opportunity to highlight the sweat and effort artists put into their music — in and of itself shows us the value hierarchy Mr. Hicks, and perhaps other American music executives, subscribes to.
Authenticity over training. Uniqueness over talent.
The whole appeal of Psy is exactly that he’s not REALLY K-pop.
He’s not a creation of a robotic idol factory, he doesn’t have stans proclaiming his “perfectness” or delusionally defending everything he does. His career has had a lot of ups and downs and controversy, and say what you want about it, but he does his shit however he wants.
That’s what we Americans love to see. Individuality and uniqueness.
So if the Korean music industry does want to make legitimate inroads in America (and not just fluff articles trying to associate Psy with K-pop), then Psy’s success teaches them the important lesson of the need to do away with this obsession with the facade of “perfection” and focus more on the individuality of special talents and unique personalities.
Asian Junkie Asian pop. Without discretion.
there’s already crazy kpop fans that are all of a sudden saying stupid shit like “PSY IS SO GREAT- CHECK OUT THESE GROUPS TO SEE MORE THINGS LIKE HIM”, going onto his interview videos and complaining about the “rude” behavior of an interviewer, and lots more shit.
i’m just sitting here like “psy’s kpop?”
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“he’s like those other pretty robots?”
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going to be a bitter bitch, but i hate how these stupid ass fucktards that never gave PSY the time of day before gangnam style are now acting like they’ve always liked him and that he’s like their favorite sucky ass groups
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I agree.
And then people say “For all of you who are here cause you stepped off the Gangnam style train, don’t act like you know kpop like us who have been here longer do. Kpop is not mainstream like psy so don’t mention him here.”
-_-
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I saw one fan talking about how she knew Psy from before “Gangnam Style” – and she was describing Kang Hodong. :|
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WHA???
and these are the idiots that claim to know more about Korea than “ignorant ____”
Oh god those bitches >_<
"I'M SOOOOO HAPPY FOR PSY OPPAR AND NOW PEOPLE SHOULD CHECK OUT OTHER YG GROUPS BIGBANG OPPARS AND 2NE1 UNNIERS"
"YES PSY SHOULD FEATURE THEM IN HIS NEXT MV"
and what's even worst are the ones accusing him of being a traitor
"I CAN'T BELIEVE HE SIGNED WITH AN AMERICAN COMPANY, HE'S SUCH A TRAITOR CHOOSING WEALTH AND FAME OVER HIS LOYALTY TO YG"
"I KNOOOOOW BUT HE'LL BE RUINED BY AMERICANS ANYWAYS SO I DON'T CARE"
…….bitches indeed -_-
bitch slaps are necessary
Agreed
Sassy Gay Friend’s words are the only way to show how i feel about these stupid fangirls
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stupid bitches
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL @gifs ALL OF THEM XD
SHEEPISH MODE
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I think you’re 14 and you’re an idiot. Perfect.
I was watching penises on Yahoo Chat when I was 14.
Was that too random?
No, that was expected of you nominny.
I agree 100%.
JFC
these bitches be stupid
i hate my age group, they’re all gigantic idiots.
What’s your “age group”?
I am 15, so I mean 12-18 year olds.
Oh my, please don’t learn too much from us.
But make sure to become a nice grown up one day, enjoying bukkake orgies and treating your private parts like they were made out of diamonds, fucking all the hoes you can find.
I’ve seen worse/dealt with much worse, you guys aren’t bad.
Also, I don’t think you’ve influenced me all that much, except my boyfriend did mention that I’ve been a lot more horny as of late?
so maybe that’s it?
You say that like it’s a good thing lol.
You poor soul.
But being hornier might be a good thing actually, even though some people might want to argue with me about that cause you’re 15.
Just make sure you use some kind of protection – you could wrap Siwons skin around the cock.
lol, I don’t think it’s a good thing.
I’ve pretty much realized that the fact that what you guys say on here hasn’t had much of an effect on me basically shows how fucked up i’ve become due to things that family members of mine have done to me.
but yea, I use protection. I may be a stupid teenager but I still retain some common sense!
:)
you seem to be more than that age group
YOU’RE JUST AT A HOOOOO NUVAAH LEHVAH
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i know i’m fab
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Wow
When I was 15 I was worried about when my favorite show was gonna air.
I still worry about that.
I know, you know what I mean
not going to lie, i’ve heard about psy here and there, him being featured in last year IC festival made me like his stage, but before gangnam style, i wouldn’t care about him. i hate people calling fans coming later as “fake fans”. so we’re fake because we’re liking him late? of course i know this isn’t what you mean, but if these new fans check out his past works, and now like him more than their oppars, what’s wrong with that? the fans behavior is as absurd as any other kpop fans.
Oh yeah, I see what you’re saying
The Susan Kang lady was the same one who said SNSD was going to make it in America cause they were beautiful and huge and Asia. She said their popularity was as big as britneys and gagas combined or something. And that they had a couple native english speakers would help as well.
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the paragraph, and then Sassy Gay Friend….
TOoOOoOoOooOooOOOo funnay
+1
your avatar:
+10
I swear… not only CL looks like Jung Juri… but Daesung does as well.
What kind of fucking sorcery is this? kafkaf, are you behind this?
@No_Min
no, but i know who is
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WE ALL BEEN LOKI’D MOFO
That fucking gif scared the shit out of me.
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@No_Min
BUT HE’S SO CUTE!!!!!!
Too photogenic….
LOL @ No_Min’s last gif
I wouldn’t read too much into it, she’s from Soompi.
Not saying that derisively either, as their livelihoods depend on K-pop thriving.
Well, she was wrong wasn’t she? Some of the SNSD girls can sing well alright and some of them dance well too, but SM has no idea how to package them for the US market.
More importantly, only 2 can speak fluent English (Sooyoung, Seohyun, and Sunny are OK, but not good enough) so it’ll look ridiculous if only a couple of them can be interviewed in the English media. The US just won’t warm up to that.
SNSD hasn’t made a dent in America, so yeah, she’s been wrong so far.
He’s already regarded as a “musical genius” who is saving the industry from Justin Bieber and One Direction.
It’s also amazing to see because WG, 2ne1 and SNSD wished for Psy’s success
And your statement in the first sentence is what’s gonna rape his ass from behind. Not gonna happen.
your second statement shows my feels
*sentence
Oh, my little kafkaf. You owe me so many orgasms by now.
How do you plan on compensating for not giving me any real life pleasure yet?
Countless times I’ve promised my body as a reward if you were to do important things like fuck Kpop idols up.
I’ll repay you with a little preview of my sexay self for my commenting mistake. It shows my artistic self, I feel. But just let me say, I’m not so bony anymore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCtjHIGJESI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Okay, while I agree with this for the most part – I agree that he’s not like the rest of K-pop, and I agree that they’re going in the wrong direction trying to get popular in America by being what America already has – the main reason for Psy’s success over idol groups is that he’s not being taken seriously. It’s not about how “unique” he is. Because worldwide, there’s plenty of talented unique celebrities who aren’t taking off in the states despite trying.
In the end, Psy is a meme. A joke.
And before I hear the argument again that no song that was just a joke would be so successful, please see “Bed Intruder Song”.
good point
I still play Bed Intruder Song lol. More so Vektor/Skeye’s cover of it but still…
I still play it. It’s a catchy tune and imo the joke is still funny.. even if it wasn’t still funny, it’s a catchy tune.
My point isn’t to downplay the fact that “Gangnam Style” is in fact a good song, a good “joke”. I’m just saying it’s kind of a little bit bullshit to act like any Korean artist could be successful in America if they were just “unique”. No. They pretty much have to fit into the stereotypes of asians that America accepts, or they have to be fucking groundbreaking world-rocking fantasmic super amazing good.
@kpanda
They pretty much have to fit into the stereotypes of asians that America accepts, or they have to be fucking groundbreaking world-rocking fantasmic super amazing good.
This!
That wasn’t anywhere near this.
No, but that’s because it was offensive in context, amateur work, shorter, and didn’t have nearly the backing that Psy has.
sure the song is a joke, thats because he intends it to be. But it is a successful one and what I find hilarious is that its turning kpop fans into fucking “hipsters”. Hipsters tend to avoid label brands, Psy is becoming a label for kpop, many of them are avoiding him and his success because they think their unnie and oppa can do better which I have trouble finding one that has the same success as Psy.
The fact that he intends to be a joke is the only reason he’s being taken remotely seriously. That’s why people are laughing with him instead of at him. It doesn’t change the fact that he’s successful because Americans can take a lolzy asian much easier than they can take a sezzy one.
It has to do with linguistics too, I mean, how is anyone going to take a song seriously without understanding it? So if it’s a serious song, yeah, it’s gonna have a hard time succeeding. Spanish music can pull it off by being “EXOTIC AND ROMANTIC” but no one thinks of Asia that way.
If you make fun of yourself when nobody else in the industry does, and you take advantage of that niche, then yes, it’s because he’s unique.
Lots of people make fun of themselves in the industry lol. But my main point isn’t that he’s not unique, it’s that it doesn’t matter how unique you are. You still have to be funny to be successful in America as a Korean artist.
Far East Movement were funny?
They were typical club bullshit music.
:o
Who makes fun of themselves in the industry, exactly?
They all take themselves incredibly seriously in the music that whoever else writes for them.
No, they were fluent in English and marketed in America, I’m talking specifically about songs that are in Korean and released in Korea and their chance at becoming successful in America.
And do you wanna know about artists who make fun of themselves in America or in Korea?
MTE. I don’t get how many international fans are raving about PSY’s unprecedented popularity when for sure they’ve had a piece of this kind of song, artist, genre, concept whatsoever in their respective countries.
We’ve had a few of these even in my hood
The upper hand with PSY is mainstream Korean pop’s existing fanbase and a robust online dissemination scheme by Korean entertainment (YG, SM) and distribution companies (LOEN, CJ E&M). On top of that, more people have more access to internet, thus, exposure to recent content
Nonetheless, SONEs be mad
Enjoying my popcorn
Have always known PSY as among those highly-anticipated long-timers in Korean music, but never had the chance to appreciate his songs. I like his Gangnam Style (albeit tenfold better than shitass Nugubody) and I suppose he showcases the same line of works prior, but then that’s just it. His genre isn’t still my type. Good lord why did even Wonder Girls even become a representative group for K-music?
I like some of their Korean songs a lot but despise their American songs.
I think they made the wrong decision by giving them a concept and songs that don’t really match them at all.
They won’t make it anyways, so i dun really currrr.
They’re tad irrelevant in Korea after that Stateside attempt. I just had much second hand embarrassment for entire Kimchiland when WG became equivalent to K-Pop if not K-music. People in my Hollywood boot-licking island country are all like “They should rather get a job at Disney or Sesame Street with that kind of choreo.” “So Korea listens to preschool songs?” “How did they even become ‘singers’?” and all that shit. The song was just that horrible and basic
no h8
To me it’s sad though that they became quite irrelevant in Korea because I think their songs are quite nice compared to other girl group shit.
I must admit, I couldn’t get the song “Like This” out of my head for quite a while.
Their stuff in America is horrible, though. No wonder they are getting shit for it.
A week ago I forced my friend to listen to some Kpop while driving her around. It was not surprising that the only songs she actually found nice were some underground hiphop stuff, some RnB track from Taeyang, Busker Busker and Cleansing Cream by BEG. To the rest she simply said: “Nothing exciting there, sounds pretty boring” or “Have heard the same shit in western music already, why the fuck do you like this?”.
Funny that she liked some songs though, because she believed that all of them would be like “Gee” or “Bubble Pop”.
I was actually embarrassed for them. Just like how I’m going to be embarrassed for 2ne1 when they flop here, since they’re stuck with this “kpop girl group that WILL make it in the states and be loved because they’re so cool” image.
@herpaderp
they should just stay in korea and let ppl come to them. it benefits them because ppl will still regard them as the group that “would” make it without having to ruin themselves to see if that was true. also, it’s better to have people come across a video and like it than coming to the people who prolly won’t react to kindly
IMO, the overall culture of Korea which affects their music is different from that of other countries even if they use the most advanced camera techniques and props and shit. If they want to fare well in America, they have to fully adopt an American music that is they have to do what American artists do. Language is also a factor.
Cleansing Cream is perfection. Song & MV
@Personwithdaesungavathatfreaksmeout
I definitely agree. Such a beautiful song. And I have to admit that I even had to cry once while watching the MV cause I had one of those emotional moments (same with “Where is Matt?”. The fuck is wrong with me).
I tried giving some of his other music a listen, like his entire “Six Rules” album. I don’t even care for anything rap-related or most electronic music, but it sounded pretty unique, fresh, and fairly complex. I was pleasantly surprised. It’s definitely worth a listen. And he composes it all himself? Awesome. I sincerely wish him the best.
As cool and funny as I find him… I still wouldn’t fuck him.
And that says a lot coming from me.
…I never thought, I would hear something like that… From your own mouth… Oh God… My world just fell apart.
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lol
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I KNOW >_<
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Are you by any chance using the Opera Mini app????
Yes :) I like opera mini such underrated browser
I recognize it from the links :)
I have to use that when wifi doesn’t allow me to go into AJ. AJ is blocked from many places O.o
FYI: the links “expire” after a while. I was posting some GIF’s and when I had to find them again, the links didn’t work :(
really ???? Didn’t know that
I like to use it cause it saves up bits………I need my bits to download por…..I mean educational materials.
HAHAHAHA
What type of educational videos????
I am so sorry for dissapointing you guys!
But sometimes I need to have some kind of morals or whatever that shit is called as well.
…No_Min and “morals” in one sentence without the words “hell to the fucking no” separating them?
Gals, I think I’m having a panic attack.
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YOU…. MORALS?!?!
I’m not going to believe it. I simply choose not too.
For my sake
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I think I hear screams from No_Minions……
nothing makes sense anymore….
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@Kafkaf
btw No_Minions ??????
Is this our fan club name ????????
KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NO_MIN SAMA POWER OF MIN KEEP THE FUCKS FOREVER LASTING MINIONS
No_Minions… I fucking like that lol
Crazy bitches, you definitely deserve some kpop dicks to slap your face. I’ll make sure you get it one day.
@No_Min:
morals?!
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@kaf: no minions :) i like it.
@schizo
@taro
@no_min
Just another creative moment from KafKaf
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You’re all seriously nuts, ladies.
I love you.
You view Psy and siwon in the same light !!!!!!???????? Is Psy that bad ??????????!
Alright, alright.
I will correct myself.
If I was able to get something out of fucking Psy (like raping Taemi), I would do it.
With Siwon… not so much. I just find him disgusting.
Actually, I would fuck Siwon if it would get me into Taemin’s pants.
But I wouldn’t let him live afterwards.
So you wouldn’t fuck him even if he had three layers of duckt tape over his mouth to keep him from talking?
‘Cause i would. Is that bad?
I’d fuck him so hard that he would be straight
Siwon or Psy ???
Dammnit woman! Both!
lol
but Siwon especially.
I don’t know about siwon……. He looks like an anatomy doll to me
@Schizo
Seriously, you wouldn’t tap (hihihi Tap) that?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maeel0Lcxf1qigia1o1_500.jpg
with all honesty I don’t find him attractive at all…. He looks like a plastic doll to me
I’d rather fuck Taemin’s ugly step sister Kai than to let him touch an inch of my smooth dark skin.
siwon is ugly.
i do no see the appeal.
especially when zhou mi, yesung, leeteuk, heechul, kyuhyun, eunhyuk and ryeowook are aLL a part of that group.
yet people think siwon is the most attractive.
@schizo
@iamtired
y’all is some crazy ass bitches. @tap and i will get him for ourselves
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there are too many good-looking pictures of his fine ass, so i’ll just post this ;)
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/choi-siwon?before=1341992702
@tap
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@Kaf, fucking preach, sister. Those crazyass hoes don’t know what’s good and what’s not.
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We’re gonna get him and fuck him, ’till he likes pussy again.
@Kaf
O, and baby. Bed? I’m already here.
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when y’all say siwon is attractive: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4lvlzvy0u1ruc6rio1_500.png
do you need me to systematically spam you with pictures of the 12 members of super junior that are hotter than him?
@iamtired
i feel so bad for you
kafkaf;
why feel sorry for me when i’m the one who’s married to voldemin, zhou mi, and onew?
@iamtired
Voldemin= Changmin, correct?
If so,
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhpmweXNIu1qh01r8o1_400.
@Schozo: anatomy dolls are cute. skeletons are adorable.
siwon is irritating.
he may be irritating, but that’s what spanking is for
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ooooooh yes, kafkaf is gon git her some
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le towel…. for later….. avec moi ;)
@kaf@Tap: you can keep him
he is for me:
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Americans love funny Asians that’s why psy is successful……
Watching white people awkwardly dance fills me with such deep shame and embarrassment
lol
I’m not even sure people are laughing with Psy or at a fat Asian dude making a joke out of himself on stage…
This whole Gangnam Style fad should die already. Don’t get me wrong, I listened to a couple of songs by Psy and liked them but this fixation on a single – in perspective quite stupid – track is getting boring.
Honestly don’t see the embarrassment part since everybody does it with or without shame.
It’s just a trend is what it is.
My actual point is that I’m not sure the folk, the stupid fucktardy mass of people isn’t just consciously or unconsciously being racist.
There are two types of laughs: laughing WITH someone and laughing AT someone.
My mother and I both watch The Big Bang Theory – she laughs AT them for being socially awkward weirdos while I laugh WITH them because I’m a socially awkward weirdo myself.
I’m unsure whether the majority of that 200 mil+ views aren’t just people who laugh at a “fat Asian dude doing the horse dance”…
Psy might not even get what kind of circus monkey of the Western world he has become. The mere fact I only heard a single interview with him about his education, career and even family speaks for itself.
People are only interested in him as the horse dancing Asian dude – I doubt the majority would know he’s Korean – and however I look at it, that’s just wrong and limits his persona.
Gangnam Style in itself is not embarrassing, that was never the issue. I just fear a whole lot of this fad is based on the masses being slightly racist.
Rolling Stone did.
Honestly, I would still rather see Rain showing his abs on TV than Psy dancing. The whole reason I like K-pop in the first place is because it was completely, admittedly pop, and it didn’t try to pretend to be anything else. Psy is funny, but nothing else. It’s like Weird Al; I like him, but I’m not going to pretend for a minute he’s anything other than a comedian.
most kpop fans are mad about his success
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD_pkJc0JRw&feature=g-u-u
maybe because he is not good looking and all fake and perfect like the idols
PSY doesn’t represent kpop he represents himself just like a real artist should be
I really hope he can continue on been successful and break all the records and staff just to make fun of all those crazy fangirls
PSY = greatest
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Those girls in the vid are right to a certain extent, Psy ain’t the typical k-pop. But, he’s an award-winning musician in Korea alright and is a much better artist than at least half of all the idols there. I just think that Psy’s mindset to not follow the idol trend works to his advantage with this accidental US success. Smart guy indeed.
Put on your dark rimmed prescriptionless glasses, flip your scarves disdainfully, and practice your best “I liked it before it was cool” lines because if you knew that Korea existed before July 15, 2012 you are officially a hipster. Especially if you are Korean. Your membership cards are in the mail.
*shamelessly applies for membership*
Give me a fucking shotgun so I can blow my brains out.
I will NEVER become a hipster, ever. I’d rather become a virgin again.
I agree with IATFB’s assessment of Psy’s success and the lesson that should be learned from it.
However, based on some of the hype coming out of Korea, I have a feeling that the K-pop companies aren’t going to learn the correct lesson from it.
Instead, they’ll mistakenly see Psy’s success as a signal that mainstream America has finally recognized the appeal of Korean music and is ready for more K-pop.
Admittedly, Psy has likely given the entire K-pop genre a boost in popularity which should help to grow the niche market of international K-pop fans. However, I still don’t see any realistic possibility of K-pop acts becoming mainstream in America the way that Psy has. Even Psy will have a hard time following-up Gangnam Style.
But Psy’s formula for his current success is basically this: he’s awesome. People don’t give a shit about uniqueness if you uniquely suck.
Everything that people love about Gangnam Style is an just extension of Psy himself (the original dance, the crazy music video, the song itself and the way he performs it).
So there’s the real formula for others to follow: be awesome. Easier said than done.
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They should learn, although whether they will or not is a question.
I mean Se7en, Wonder Girls, BoA, and SNSD all tried to break through but none were successful. PSY didn’t even try and it worked, so, if korean agencies stick to the same formula, they’re practically insane.
PSY speaks fluent English and went to Berklee Music College(Quincy Jones and John Mayer went there, so did 2NE1′s Park Bom, as a side note), so he probably knows a thing or two about the US music industry. Then Scooter Braun is now his manager, so he is in a pretty good hands for now.
All idol groups who think that PSY just paved them the road to US stardom need serious reality check. PSY only (accidentally) paved the road for himself alone.
THIS
I’ve been wanting Korean to do away with this “perfect idol” concept since I started seeing just how far-reaching and damaging controversies can be for idols, who are just as imperfect as the rest of us at the end of the day.
The pretty boy/beautiful girl with average talent just will not cut it in the States and companies should understand that VERY well before charting a map to infiltrate the U.S. industry.
America has gone through the girl/boy band phase already, and they always pick out the most successful out of the bunch and make them go solo (i.e. Nicole Schreingfderdkjdk-whatever-her-name-is from PCD) and if none of the members has a certain “it” quality, then the entire band will just fade into nonexistence. Can I really see Taeyeon or Tiffany or Seohyun, CL or Bom, or G-Dragon or Daesung, really forge a path on their own in AMERICA of all places?
The answer is a resounding no.
Yeah, I agree, unfortunately.
Most of the people I give a shot at finding even niche success in America are not from idol groups.
I generally agree with you. However, Korean or Asian musicians CAN succeed in the US-Far East Movement is an example.
So, out of those in the Korean idol industry, I think CL going solo OR 2NE1 (3 out of 4 speak English too) can possibly make it, though I admit it’s a long shot.
I’m not saying they can’t. FEM has an “it” quality that made them very popular since “G6.” It was catchy and witty and a lot of people didn’t even know what a “G6″ was until FEM came out.
I dont’ think CL or 2NE1 have a shot at success in America. For one, CL is a rapper and no matter how “swagtastic” she is, she just doesn’t have the skills and the sex appeal to make it as a female rapper in a predominantly male and extremely misogynistic genre of music. You see what Nicki Minaj has to do in order to get attention and even THEN there are plenty of people who still don’t respect her as a legit rapper (I know I certainly don’t). As for her singing, that just won’t cut it, point blank. As for 2NE1 as a whole, having 3 out of 4 members fluent in English is pretty much a death sentence right there. ALL members should be fluent in English. You’ve never seen a successful boy/girl group where one doesn’t speak English. It just won’t work.
America is VERY particular about all of things and adding the insanely huge wall Asians have to jump over to find success in the entertainment industry here (without catering to the stereotype, which is what most end up doing anyways), then there’s very little chance (if any) for an idol group to find success.
For sure, for sure.
As for CL, if she ever tries to make it here, even as a solo artist, she should ditch the rapping. She’s decent rapping in Korean, but English…skeptical.
I think she’s a pretty good singer and I’d say at least that swag persona doesn’t look as forced as 2PM acting beastly or other idols trying to be who they’re not. Out of the 4 girls, her stage persona is the most believable although I’m sure it’s not who she is. Minzy is too young, Dara is not as aegyoish as she advertises herself to be (don’t think aegyo will work on American audience LOL), and Bom is too shy-tho she has good English & has a great voice.
Even for an idol group, I admit YG did a pretty good job of designing their image-it’s pretty different from most girl groups. I have a hard time imagining cookie-cutter girl groups like After School, SNSD, Kara, f(X), you name it adopting their image. I just can’t.
YG & 2NE1 producer Teddy was raised in US so he’s familiar with the US music culture and probably knows how to market them there. I don’t think he’s interested that much b/c one time he declined Lady Gaga when she asked to collaborate w/ him (apparently).
In a summary, all I’m saying is that 99% of K-pop idols have zero chance given the way they’re managed and trained. 2NE1 is one group that has the best possibility though I admit it’s a very, very, very remote chance and being realistic, I don’t expect much at all. I’m even not a serious 2NE1 fan.
PSY is such a unique case and he even surprised himself. How will a typical K-pop group “be awesome” (as you say) in their own way and such that Americans love them? Oh, man, that’s pretty much impossible.
My biggest peeve about that FEM song is that there is no ‘G6′ (if they are referring to a Gulfstream jet).
Only a G5. The new model is the G650.
Even gangsta rappers know that.
but but but i love kpop for their pretty package idol. my local indie music is good enough to fill my musical needs, i need pretty boys from kpop. if they ditch this whole idoldom, i’m going to ditch kpop. xD i hope kpop companies realize their own strength and stop wasting money on US debut. kpop has its own fans with its own charm, it’s like anime/manga. does naruto need to make a debut in disney? no… sorry for the absurd comparison, lol.
Point blank PSY is smart and he wasn’t trying to be something he’s not.
I’m sorry I don’t care if PSY is a one hit wonder. Kpop fans are just butthurt it wasn’t Big Bang,2ne1 or SNSD. Its someone that no body in kpop itself gave two shits about.
It would be the same if it was Crown J or Dok2. The question will remain the same:
Who is this guy?
Why does every body like him?
What does he have that betters from my bias idol group who didn’t make it?
Majority of kpop fans are stuck up. They swear an idol group can make it in the U.S. regardless if they have anything particular unique about them. They look the part and that is good enough. Well PSY prove to you it is not. You mad?
Its like Christmas in September for trolls right now. PSY is king
I’m happy for Psy’s success but is no one going to talk about the real reason why Americans love him? It’s not that hard to appeal to us when he delivers full force on what Hollywood reinforces as Asian male stereotypes. If Psy was a gorgeous(not to say he’s unattractive) and fit male would he be garnering this attention? Probably not. This is feeding right into the emasculated, off-beat, unattractive, here only for laughs stereotypes that have been forced upon us for ages. Not to say that Psy is unoriginal but his western success is not a coincidence or really a surprise.
but I am happy for him and I hope he rakes in a lot of money
I’ve addressed that before and I’m okay with it.
He’s doing his thing and he’s not blind to how shit works. In interviews about his success, he’s shown awareness of what’s going on and why people enjoy it.
I’m not going to get on him for reinforcing stereotypes or whatever since he’s always done this, and he’s done it for Korea, not for the West or to appease anybody. This is how he is, like it or not, and it’s thriving, so it’s fine with me.
Besides, that image is amusing to me because he’s hardly the clean-cut comedic sexless type of guy that people apparently think at the moment.
“…clean-cut comedic sexless type that people apparently think…”
What makes you believe that people think of him that way?
If anything, I think it’s the opposite. I mean, the GS video features him raging at a woman’s ass and creeping all over Hyuna.
People here give you more cred if you’re NOT clean-cut. Maybe that’s why Psy seems cooler to Americans than the “perfect” idols that K-pop usually offers.
By American standards, that’s not raunchy at all though. All of that was generally done in a comedic tone except maybe the HyunA part, but that wasn’t vulgar or anything.
IMO, his image to the great majority of people who didn’t know him or like him before “Gangnam Style” is quite amusing.
Yeah, but is he actually “vulgar”?
How does his Gangnam Style image misrepresent him?
@mcf
He is not vulgar to us Americans but still is appealing to the general masses. But in Korea his behavior is quite vulgar.PSY has been this way for years. He got lucky with Gangnam style going viral. Best advice go search out for old PSY MVs and songs. He always been this type of guy. This type of Korean artists.
Based on his rumored sexcapades in his private life, probably. Also, he’s had quite a bit of scandals in the past.
Plus, I don’t think they understand that lyrics of the song to begin with, so they couldn’t begin to correlate what they’re seeing with what the song actually represents.
Can someone explain to me again why Asian men can’t be “sexy” or attractive in pop? Is this still a “big deal” nowadays concerning Asian males getting roles or “making it big”? Maybe it’s because I live in a very diverse and large city so I feel like racial barriers or whatnot is lowered somewhat so I don’t notice these things anymore.
White dudes can’t deal with the complex or what? How come Latino/black guys don’t have that problem in pop culture?
You think Koreans like him for any different reasons than Americans do?
Americans love this guy for the same reason they like Ken Jeong’s Mr. Chow from the Hangover. This is not to take anything away from PSY’s daebak MV or his musicianship.
Oh god, I fucking LOVE Mr. Chow!
He should get his own movie. Or fuck it, he should get 10 own movies.
Well, as popular as he is in America, he’s still even bigger in Korea. Practically a god there right now.
So, apparently Koreans love the “funny Asian stereotype” act even more than we do.
But I guess Americans are “racists assholes” for liking it because they’re not Korean (according to some idiots).
Don’t tell me that Koreans love him for any different reasons than Americans love him.
Anyways – his appeal goes beyond just the funny act. The fact that he’s topping music charts all over the world shows that people like his music, too.
I DID say that I didn’t want to take anything away from his musicianship. I am very aware that Psy is an award-winning musician in Korea. I’m NOT trying to say that Gangnam Style is a rubbish song that got propelled worldwide because of a hilarious dance move. It is a CATCHY song that got propelled worldwide because of a hilarious dance move/MV.
Good music alone is not enough. SNSD’s “Gee” is also mad catchy-I give props to the songwriters for that and the girls to an extent-but it doesn’t have the same success level that GS does. Countless other great Korean tracks are not the phenom that GS is.
If Psy chose to have a more conventional MV, would this song have been a worldwide chart-topper?
This song is more than just about some guy being silly. Perhaps you know it’s actually a satirical take on those posh people in Gangnam district. But, would Americans care about that? Or don’t they like it PRIMARILY because of the catchiness, the MV’s outlandishness and the invisible horse dance? In Korea, the satire is even more relevant.
It’s not in the same league as “Gee”. That’s a cutesy, vapid song done by a girl group. Shit would never fly here. Same with most other catchy, repetitive songs done by groups.
Is the dance helping? Absolutely. I don’t doubt that. Is it the reason that the song is successful and other K-pop songs are not? No.
As an aside, all you fuckers using Weird Al Yankovic as a comparison as an INSULT can burn in hell.
Motherfucker flows over a beat better than Lil’ Wayne does. And his lyrics are more creative too. Suck his balls.
Kthxbye.
My friend’s niece can flow better then Weezy
He is like GD, starting to believe his own hype
Plus discover punk rock and its destroying his music creativity even more
People like Weezy because he looks like a fool
Don’t like weezy watch this, you’ll shit you pnats from laughing so hard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owrZM3aBJno&feature=youtube_gdata_player
‘Amish Paradise’ is better than anything Lil Wayne has ever released.
Not using it as an insult; God no. Just saying, he’s in a different category. He’s what I listen to when I want a good laugh and I enjoy it. If I want an artist to drool over, it’s not gonna be him.
I’m actually complimenting Weird Al. He’s not pop, and he never tries to be; He just does whatever the fuck he wants, and doesn’t give a shit about what others think. He can shit out lyrics better than whatever Lil Wayne or Drake could think of on their best day partly because of that, and because he’s very talented at it naturally.
He isn’t making any introspective , deep songs there; isn’t trying to be Public Enemy or anything. He is in his own category which I like, for specific reasons. Not trying to diss him at all.
I agree to an extent because I think there’s still many who like to listen to new artists (Esp if they’re overseas) still sounding familiar to what they’re use to. When I played some of my Jpn music to my family, they were more into Namie Amuro or the real rappers (m-flo/Teriyaki Boyz) because it was a sound they’re use to. Same with me; I like Ayu and may be in the mood for Perfume but I like listening to old school Hikki, Kumi, Namie, Mika’s jazzy songs etc that reminds me of the music I grew up with.
No doubt though it was his uniqueness that got him the attention in America but I just worry/think it’ll be a one-hit thing in the US. BUT… I think it’s HILARIOUS that either crazy Kpop fans are dick-riding his fame “OMG America!! You’ve been missing out on Kpop!!!!!!1111!!! Korea has other peoples like SHINee, Big Bang, SNSD, blah blah blah blah” or they either loathe the fact he’s more popular in the US than trained-for-half-their-lives oppar and unnir who tried to break in but failed lol. (I still also think promotion has a big thing to do with it as well… it’s very fortunate his video became viral like that which well… others didn’t have that same luck)
But yeah… just my silly ol’ opinion…
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So, I saw this clusterfuck on tumblr.
http://i47.tinypic.com/egthq8.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2mpidk2.png
(It was one huge post)
Just curious to see what you guys think of this. I personally think that too many kpop fans are digging too deep into this, but that might just be me.
Ellen: “Psy, come on out!”
Sounds like an introduction to me.
*nods while reading*
Just had to come somewhere I could vent without being bashed by crazy ass fangirls.
OH MY FUCKING CRAYON. =.=”
I was checking out GD’s new Crayon MV (am I the only one who thinks the name is incredibly stupid? >_>) and there’s just this huge storm of fangirls going like WHY IS PSY BEING MENTIONED HERE HE IS SOO FAT AND UGLY AND STUPID, GD OPPAR IS AMAZING AND SEXY AND HOT… PSY COPIED FANTASTIC BABY IT CAME OUT BEFORE PSY AND IS SOO MUCH BETTER!!!!!!1111!!! It’s like, seriously?
http://i50.tinypic.com/261zsif.gif Anyway…
No you are not alone. Thetitle alone is just some kind of retarded. I haven’t seen MV yet. Been busy lately but I will take your word 100%
What the fuck?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ULhmadHkg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
bwahahaha, I swear every time he says swag I want to punch him in his effeminate, try-hard little face.
He is becoming an asinine little piece of stereotypicaal shit. I hope Asian Junkie does a review on his comeback album. I think TestamentVM should do it. I like her reviews.
I know, and fans are just eating it up. It’s like he’s run out of what little originality he had and is going through a mid-20s life crisis. Instead of buying a new car, he’s surrounding himself with hot women, skate boards and any tiny piece of relevant american hip hop he can get his hands on. It’s the only reason I can come up with for Crayon.
“Swag check swag check
Head shoulders knees and toes
Swag check swag check”
=.=”
no, wait a while until seoulbeats’ one up, and vips will make tons of essay analyzing every single detail to have a deep meaning.