AKB48′s Minegishi Minami’s Public Shaming: Rebutting The Excuses

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The scandal involving AKB48‘s Minegishi Minami is now spreading around the Internet at a rapid pace (I think I even saw it at Perez Hilton), so it’s safe to say that it’s quite the hot topic. Naturally, fans of AKB48 hate to see the group being torn to shreds by random people, so now the excuses are currently flowing out of the woodwork.

Personally though, the justifications I’m seeing from them for her public shaming (and that’s exactly what it is) are dubiously reasoned at best, and I was getting sort of tired of seeing them, so I wrote all this crap.

Excuse 1: You don’t get the culture!

Spare me. There are a ton of us out there who absolutely get the idol culture (and Japan’s culture), and that’s exactly why we find it ridiculous.

Don’t attempt to explain this away by saying the criticism is based in ignorance, because it’s lazy and has no merit. One can either address the issues and criticisms being brought up or one can’t. Saying “it’s just different” over and over again is not valid, especially if you can’t specifically cite the relevant differences that you claim to be so apparent. Defaulting to “you just don’t get it” is chock full of fallacies because it’s not even an actual argument.

Question for all the fans defending the shaming on these grounds: do you think normal, everyday Japanese people think the culture you’ve created is normal? Do you believe they would defend your logic when you cite their culture as justification for why this is acceptable? I don’t.

For all the complaining that wota (and otaku, in general) do about how they’re outcasted from society and what not, I find it interesting that any of them would use Japanese culture as justification. Don’t you think there’s a reason otaku are looked down upon in Japan? Maybe, just maybe, doing insane shit like forcing idols to pander to delusional thoughts of wotas owning a pet woman through proxy is up there on that list of reasons? Gonna venture a guess that you’re not gonna have their support in citing their history, culture, and society as reasons why it’s acceptable to force a tearful, shaven-head apology from a 20-year-old woman for dating.

Sorry, but not everybody thinks holding the love-lives of idols hostage for delusional fans is normal in modern society. Japan or otherwise.

Excuse 2: Why are people so mad? This is the system!

Arguing that the system is what it is totally skirts the issue of people finding the system itself backwards and ridiculous, which is enough by itself to render this line of justification moot.

Entertaining the question within the context of the system though, I still think it’s ridiculous because of the extent of the punishment.

Look, I completely get the argument that celebrities are different from normal people. I’ve posted many times before on this site about how celebrities are held to a different standard and that they have to play the fame game. As a public figure, there’s a certain expectation and responsibility that comes along with the benefits of being famous, but everybody has a line, and I just try to support my line with logic.

Paparazzi being interested in taking pictures of you? Normal for a celebrity. Paparazzi stalking you at high speeds down the highway causing you to crash and die? Not normal. Fans requesting autographs and pictures with you? Normal for a celebrity. Fans stalking you and breaking into your house to smell your underwear? Not normal. People interested in who you’re fucking? Normal for a celebrity. Your so-called “fans” shaming you, talking about betrayal, and justifying a shaven-head, weeping apology as the norm because you may or may not have had sex and/or may or may not be dating? Not normal.

I can explain where I stand and why, can the excusers? If so, I’m not seeing it in any argument, just people constantly falling back on tired rhetoric defending the status quo and how celebrities deserve it.

I think most people arguing against her shaming have an understanding that there’s expectations that come along with their roles, and that’s why normally these scandals get minimal play outside of the insulated world of AKB48 fans. It’s the company-endorsed shaming and ritualistic head-shaving that has people’s attention, which then generally leads to the next three excuses from fans.

Excuse 3: Why are people so mad? She signed up for this!

Yeah, she did when she was 13. Then once you’re in the system and it’s all you know, it becomes progressively harder to opt out, especially if your popularity grows. Even ignoring that though, the logic that people have no right to be appalled by what happened because she entered into a contract is ridiculous. For starters, we don’t even know the specifics and legality of the contract, and even if all that checks out, it doesn’t address the morality of the clause existing, nor the extent of the punishment she can receive for violating it.

That’s the real issue here, because it’s the humiliation aspect in this that has pushed the incident over the edge.

When does the rhetoric of “she signed up for it” stop becoming acceptable as an excuse?

If she signed a contract to be prostituted out to corporate heads, then we should be okay with that too because “she knew what she was getting into”? Forced to wear a sign that says “I’m a whore” in the middle of Akihabara? Beaten? Tortured? What is the end game here? Where is the line where “she agreed to be punished if she got into a relationship, so stop making a big deal out of it” is no longer valid?

Everybody has it, and this obviously crossed it for basically everybody that’s not a wota, but I don’t think they realize that citing the fact that she agreed to rules doesn’t inherently mean that any punishment doled out is justifiable.

Excuse 4: Why are people so mad? She says she shaved her head herself!

Even assuming she shaved her head of her own free will, which is questionable at best, that doesn’t excuse everything and anything that came after it.

To me, it doesn’t matter who made the decision to shave her head, because either she knew the reaction that her scandal was going to receive and felt obligated to do so as a mark of shame to appease the fans, or they forced her to do it to appease the fans. Either way, it was done to appease the terror cell of AKB48 fans that lose it over scandals like this because their dream of a pure woman being all “theirs” is shattered.

The point is that it was done because it was instilled in her mind that she had something to be ashamed of. Whether it’s the fear of the management or the fear of the fanboys or whatever, I’m not in favor of any scenario that revolves around appealing to delusional fanboys.

Excuse 5: Why is this scandal a big deal? Scandals like this have happened before and nobody cared!

I’m having a hard time believing people honestly don’t understand the answer to this one.

As I already said, it’s not the demotion that people care about, idols have been expelled for less than this before with minimal attention. No, it’s the shaming that came along with this specific incident that is leading to the backlash. They did everything but slap a scarlet letter on her.

As they say, she’s hardly the first one to have a dating scandal, but if they’re all created equal, then where are the shaved-head, public video apologies from male idols? Where are they from other AKB48 members? Did I miss Sashihara Rino‘s apology being uploaded to their official channel? I don’t see her shaved head anywhere. Hell, is there any other female idol that’s been subjected to this? It’s being treated as unique because it sort of is.

Seriously, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out why this specific incident has generated the reaction it has.

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Look, I like some of the members of AKB48, and yeah, you do get involved with their personas because that’s their appeal. I understand that aspect of being a fan, but I talked about the difference between been a fan and being delusional before, and that applies to this situation. There’s a very good reason why I always tend to keep myself distanced from any fandom, and it’s exactly for stuff like this, because it’s … I mean, it’s insane. I’m not saying all AKB48 fans are like this, or that even a majority of them are like this (I don’t think they are), but the psychotic minority certainly seems to dictate how things work, no?

Normally this scandal wouldn’t be a big deal. Look at the initial post I made on it, and that’s usually how I handle these idol dating scandals. Basically, I say that the really dedicated fans are mentally insane, but typically the punishment comes in the form of a sort-of-but-not-really demotion and a canned public relations apology.

Nobody expected this.

Fans can pretend they don’t see it and don’t hear it, but there’s a line in the sand that everybody draws and this has crossed it for me and many others, and no amount of “she signed up for it” reasoning is going to make this go away.

At the end of the day, a system that’s setup to develop and pander to delusional fans is not something I’m ever going to endorse. Much less am I ever going to be okay with this notion that fans can own their very own virginal female idol of their choosing. That’s not a Western point of view, that’s not a Japanese point of view, that’s a “holy shit, I hate delusional idiots, and this is creepy” point of view.

If you read what I wrote and somehow inferred stuttering or confusion in my words, let me make it clear: Normal. People. Think. Shit. Like. This. Is. Insane.

Tell yourselves whatever lies you have to in order to make what happened okay in your mind, but just know that you’re part of the problem.

88 comments

  1. Fair enough, well reasoned and plenty of people in the fandom feel the same way.

    • I have to wonder then why they let the minority “terror cell” (as I call them) call the shots.

      • because more often than not, such minority is the ones that make headlines for others ‘sane’ enough to call it out. otherwise, it’s just boring to cover, especially to pop fandoms.

      • In my statistics class we call it voluntary response bias. Usually the people that speak up are the ones who feel strongly on a matter, the rest of the population is too lazy. This can really skew the final result, and I think thats what we end up seeing with these sorts of fandoms. Most of the normal fans don’t really care one way or another, but the crazy wotas who invest all their time into this who tend to be the ones to make the most ruckus, which is what the management listens too. I’m not saying its right, rather, thats just how it is.

      • Seems to me that the company itself is run by these “terror cell” types. Maybe that’s the answer.

        They are the ones, after all, who made this video and posted it on the official channel.

      • A Cat Who Thinks He Is People

        Wota are the most aggressive financial backers and Aki P can’t let his cash cows mosey back on over to MoMusu pastures?
        Heck, maybe a spike in people buying Minami merch would issue in some sort of change. I love some of the girls in AKB but their focus on those creepy psuedo-sexual/relationship with wota parts turn me off of the whole machine. I mean, just look at the Ponytail PV or Heavy Rotation – underwear-clad, perverted trash intended for masturbating to…

        I really feel badly for these girls stuck in the machine that won’t let them go – but at this stage angry Twitter posts and Tumblr reblogs are never going to change these stupid rules. Taking the complaint directly to AKB HQ and Aki P with a protest or message campaign would be way more effective.

        Unfortunately I don’t see that happening, or it will be dismissed quickly…such a shame because I think that lessening personal life restrictions on these girls would make them much happier.

        • I just don’t buy that the majority of their supporters are the psychos who burn shit if their idols don’t do as they want.

          If I’m wrong, then … fuck humanity, whatever. :o

  2. Hmmmm, this reminds me of something. Can’t quite put my finger on it…

    Oh! I know!
    http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htm

    “4. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
    10. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group.
    11. The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them.”

    and I could go onnn and onnn and onnn.

    • I have always said these idol systems are like a cult. I saw it demonstrated during that whole JYJ stuff. When you are in and doing what you are told all is well….but step out of line…all the other members who are “good and loyal” shun you and attack you. Even if last week they were saying you were like their own blood relation. They close ranks on you.

      They talk like it is perfectly normal for their company to tell them they can’t have personal cell phones..until they “earn it”…or can’t date. Or force them to have plastic surgery. I remember one of the members of Shinwha talking about his nose job and saying that at the time he got it….it was not something that he had much choice about if he wanted to debut. This was when they were with SME. And he just said it so casually. Like..oh yeah…I was told if I wanted to debut with my group I had to change my face. Ho hum. That your company owns you body and soul…seem to be just accepted. Because you sign a contract….this is just what you have to endure, and anyone who complains or leaves or sues…if just a trouble maker. It’s ridiculous!

      • I’ve always seen the thing called “idol culture” to 100% be a legit cult. There’s no “like a cult.” It IS a cult. Read soshified or stage48 or any of the large fansites for idols of any flavor – it’s fucking mindboggling and insane how warped their logic is and comprehending what hardcore fans are even talking about is difficult at times because of how far isolated they are from normal conversation.

      • I’ve seen Shinhwa be not-so-accepting too though, like in one interview they talked about that they used to get beaten in practice and they were clearly still bitter about it. I think the idols are just doing what they have to do, but it’s the fans who are the only ones drinking the ‘ends justify the means’ kool-aid.

      • I see no difference.

        People use to laugh at their own fandoms (still do), but nowadays the newer fans treat it like it’s an actual religion. It’s getting to the point where they will willingly blame all mistidings on the “troublemakers” just because it’s disturbing the little happy utopia they’ve built for themselves on the net.

        kpop fans deny that they’re like the belibers but honestly they’re a whole lot worse.

  3. Some say what she did was “bravery”, though. That she could’ve graduated and still be in varieties (since she’s pretty good at those), but instead chose to do.. /this/ because she loves the group so much and wishes to stay so badly. Thoughts?

    • I’m not blaming her in this scenario, she can do what she wants with her life. It certainly takes bravery to shame yourself, just like it takes bravery to kill yourself, but I don’t think that’s really what should be addressed.

      I’m saying the fact that she’s even put to the sword, so to speak, for having a romantic life is more than a little disturbing.

      Or hell, even if you do think idols shouldn’t date because of the system or whatever, there’s a reasonable medium between being completely unapologetic and having to shame yourself in front of the world.

      I believe in more of the former than the latter, but either way, I think in the world of rational thought, there were far better ways to approach it than how it turned out. And if globally shaming the company can solicit change, then I’m all for it going viral.

    • Oppasapervert

      It’s not bravery if she has been conditioned to think that this is the right things to do.

    • While what she did does display bravery, I just wish she had enough bravery to announce, “Yeah, I have a love life that doesn’t involve fans, what of it?” Though I also know there’s more to this behind corporate office doors :/

  4. *stands and applauds*

    Sanity. Sweet sanity!

    I get so tired of all these fans in jpop and kpop who excuse every bullshit that comes out of the system with “they sign up for it” or “it’s just the culture.” Thy rather stick their head in the sand and pretend not to see…so they can enjoy the entertainment with a clear mind. Don’t look..then we might have to do something about it.They are part of the problem. They claim to care about these idols..but they don’t, else they would actually want to see them in a system that actually is fair to them. They care about themselves and living in their own delusions not touched by the real world. They use and abuse the idols just as much as the companies and the idol entertainment system uses and abuses them.

  5. Is she receiving any “support”? For example, are any other celebrities helping and defending her etc?

    • I actually think most people, including AKB48 fans, feel bad for her, but the system is clearly setup to appease the psychopaths, so that’s what needs to be destroyed and rallied against, IMO.

      Her group mates have already released pictures and notes of support, yeah. Maybe I’ll write about that later.

  6. Preach it!

    IATFB, you really are awesome when you’re righteously angry.

  7. It was totally on PerezHilton… http://perezhilton.com/2013-01-31-japanese-pop-star-shaves-head-sex-akb48-minegishi-minami#respond

    I’m appalled that there are people out there who support this fiasco. Honestly, like people in Japan NEVER have sex with their boyfriends or girlfriends… There are entire areas in Tokyo and other major cities dedicated to LOVE HOTELS, for fuck’s sake. And don’t even get me started on the sexual morals—or lack thereof—of people who live in the US.

    Otakus/wotas are fucking stupid. They’re so immersed in their little La La Land of idols that they’ve completely lost touch with reality and think they have the right to “punish” someone like this. And fuck Akimoto for allowing this to happen.

    I’d never thought I’d see the day where I agreed with Perez Hilton on anything.

  8. Where are her parents? Seriously? I know she signed her soul away, but as a parent you should have some say so. I mean she’s 20 years old, but still…

    • Honestly, I think at 13, her parents were probably like, “My baby angel is gonna be a STARRRRRR!!!!111!!” and signed away thinking that she would do no wrong.

    • i asked this question before. and especially in context of asian culture, where family values are upheld tightly still – on the surface, at least

      but in the end, unless it’s screw parent, you as a parent, without (financial) power, in this case, can’t do much against the freaking huge system as money does talk here

      • pretty much…also with a group as big as AKB48, it’s be hard to sue for unfair treatment because i guarantee as long as there’s a paycheck, not one of those girls is gonna come forward and testify.

    • I don’t think that there’s much her parents can do for her, other than emotional support of course.
      If they try and defend her then they’ll probably end up being targeted themselves of encouraging her acts or something.
      It must be a very unpleasant feeling seeing your own child being treated like this and you can do nothing about it.

  9. I went running to Tumblr as soon as I realized psychos were actually defending this shit, because my secret favorite hobby in Kpop (and now Jpop) is watching my fellow white people defend insanity by shouting “It’s their CULTURE! You don’t GET it.”

    Japan Times has a really cool op-ed on the legality of controlling teenage girls’ lives: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2013/01/22/how-tos/akb48-unionize-and-take-back-your-lost-love-lives/#at_pco=cfd-1.0

  10. you should add excuse 6, that is she, just like the rest of akb48, is sl*t thus it’s karma time for her
    /am serious

    • Still don’t get the differences between SISTAR’s choreography and AKB’s bikinis. All to flaunt their assets, no? They’re hot and everyone’s happy, yet if Hyorin has a scandal I doubt that people would be slut-shaming her as they do to AKB’s members (not that I see any slut-shaming though; most support her, from the comments I’ve seen)

      • Maybe because SISTAR’s concept is being sexy so them “acting slutty” or actually “being a sluts” is expected and all.
        But with AKB’s pure image and cutesy attitude even in bikinis, they should all be virgins irl.

    • Wait, really? Where?

  11. Poor girl. This is just too much.

  12. Apparently the Japanese morning shows were picking up on this story and went around asking for people’s opinion on the matter and most people were sympathetic and said this was all too ridiculous and over the top so there goes the cultural difference excuse.

  13. I feel like AKB48 will pull this video

    • Probably – although the damage is already done.

      The AKB company really misjudged this one. I’ll bet they will (or already do) regret their decision to make that video because it will turn a whole lot of formerly neutral people against them and probably even piss off a lot of their own fans. Like IATFB said – it’s really only a minority of nutjobs in the fandom who are probably happy with this.

      I seriously hope the whole company goes bankrupt (although I know that’s wishful thinking). It’s clear that the company is run by sadistic pricks who at the very least are guilty of creating a cult-like environment where they brainwash young girls into thinking that they are less than human. Who knows what else they’ve done to these girls – I’m sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    • AJCommentator

      6.2M views which they’re making cash money from? It’s by far the most popular video on YT. They won’t be pulling it anytime soon.

  14. This article was sexy as hell, IATFB.

  15. I always found the creepiest excuse the “girls must remain pure” one. Even before this kicked off you had nutjobs arguing that the not dating law is fine as it keep the girls virgins and thats how all idols should be. That stuff was being peddled by grown men too. Fucking insanity.

    Someone should parachute Seungri into the girls dorms. The resulting scandal would probably have most of the AKB wota jumping infront of trains.

    • I could understand if their fans were like tween and teenage boys, but a lot of them are dudes in their 30s and 40s and shit.

      :o

  16. People who can’t explain their stance to others actually don’t understand it themselves at all. It’s such a cult following that they don’t even stop to question WHY they really think this is acceptable. Tsk tsk.

  17. It’s a shame that you had to make a rebutting article when everything you said were imo common sense regarding this scandal. alien.

  18. While I do think that there are countless flaws in AKB48′s system, I can’t with some of the ignorance I’ve seen outside of the fandom which has outdone the delusion inside of the fandom. I see people judging AKB fans for so-called “defending” the system when in reality the amount of judgement outweighs the defense.

    The reason most fans aren’t giving management so much flak is because the scandal could of easily blown over if she didn’t insist on making such a big deal of this like she does about A LOT of things…(I guess you could view it as her being good to her fans but the extents she went to was unnecessary) As a founding member of the group, she has a lot of freedom with the choices she makes in the group so she should have just let this die over like Itano Tomomi did awhile back with her scandal. But her popularity will skyrocket which is probably also a factor as to why she did this, as popularity is a big deal to all the members.

    • So you completely buy into the management’s excuse that this was all on her?

      I have great oceanfront property to sell you in Kansas.

      If people are taking this to another level and being ignorant in the other way, then feel free to correct them as well, but all I see are fans defending how they handled this.

      Look, they’re gonna get backlash from the media and whatnot for this specific incident, because like I said, it’s fucking disturbing. They just need to sack-up and deal with it because it IS fucked up. If they go too far in their criticism, then feel free to check them, but as long as they remain on topic with this incident, I don’t see any excuse that’s valid.

      • I should of stated that I do believe the fact that the dating ban exists because the majority of wota can’t deal with their idol being with someone is fucked up, so I am NOT defending management in that sense. However, the extent to which the situation has been taken IS her doing because she made her apology so public and shaved her hair. There have been worst scandals in the group that have been dealt with without

        I can see how all you’re seeing is fans defending since we have different perspectives. I’m a fan seeing the negativity from the outside, and you’re on the outside trying to see how fans can justify something so seemingly horrible.

        • No, I see the negativity from the outside, especially as it spreads now, but my point is that if we’re just talking about this specific incident, I see no viable recourse for fans to take in defending the situation.

          If they move on to bashing Japan as a whole or pop music for existing or even the members as a whole, they deserve to be checked, but within the context of this scandal, I see little wiggle room for excuses.

          Honestly, I don’t buy that she’s to blame for escalating it. That’s what the management says, but given the backlash, what else would they say? And like I said, even GIVING you that assumption, it still reflects on a broken status quo, IMO.

          • The reason I think she’s to blame for the situation being blown up is because I believe she chose to shave her hair which is the reason this is getting so much attention. Management isn’t so stupid as to let her do something so drastic, because they obviously know the backlash that would accompany the action.

            But in the end, the source of this problem IS management because of their ridiculously strict rules that even create situations where members can feel so pressured into breaking like this.

            Anyways, thanks for actually listening to my point of view without being too hostile or calling me delusional as I’ve seen on quite a few other sites.

          • And yet they uploaded the video, which proves they’re complicit. It’s illogical to assume that they simultaneously control this woman’s life and have to cave to her demand that it be uploaded. The video is the reason this became what it did.

            I already addressed the head-shaving issue, and it doesn’t matter to me who made the call.

  19. mybiasbeatsyourbias

    #3 burns me to my core because I don’t think she fucking sign up for this crap. You sign a contract because you are looking for better management in your careers not someone to control your life. Not ruin your fucking life so openly, unless you have a shitty management team.

    I don’t know much about AKB48 just that they exist. I find this all bazaar and totally inappropriate. The whole point of shaving her head was extreme and to do this so publicly, traumatizing. I don’t see a benefit or a ‘lesson learn’ but a totla grotesque of power from so-called fans and the record label.

    • I thought all idols sign up to be worshipped/fapped as faux boyfriend/girlfriend of people who can’t find the real one in the real world?

  20. As I expected, they pulled the video.

  21. I don’t care who you are, where you’re from, or what the rules of the moment are, any man who doesn’t even bother to defend a woman or at the least take his part of the blame in the situation is a raging pussy. I hope all his future prospects reject Shirahama. And how about a fuckin’ private car home after a visit? No? Walk of shame for the lady? Christ on a crutch! Stay classy, Japanese men.

    • Its not his fault alot of the fans of the girl he banged/maybe banged fans are mental. He is allowed to date. From the pictures you can’t tell if there is car/taxi waiting anyway. He probably just thought he was having a hook up with a cute girl and now his name is being splashed all over the world for it.

      Feel abit sorry for him tbh. No one knows how serious they were and now he has people calling for the end of his career [probably life as well from the nutjobs].

    • Hard to judge his situation, we don’t know how it’s being handled internally. He has an agency too, after all.

    • Too bad LDH isn’t some idol slave agency who feeds the wotas’ crazy /sarcasm

      I wrote a long post replying to a delusional fan calling for Alan’s punishment. Here’s a part for you:

      GENERATIONS (or any LDH group for that matter) is not an idol group so nothing of that crap applies to them. You should be thankful that there are such understanding agencies like LDH but it seems as if you wanted them to punish Alan instead of CRITICIZING AKB’S MANAGEMENT AND THE IDOL INDUSTRY IN GENERAL FOR HAVING A STUPID LOVE BAN RULE!

      Calling for Alan to be punished is like admitting that the love ban rule is okay as long as both the male and female get the same punishment! How is that good in any way?

      Yeah, he should apologize because she has a love ban rule and a couple of her crazy delusional wotas who already showed up at his group’s handshake event and tried to sabotage it are angry, right? How can you even know he didn’t helped her? He doesn’t have to explain himself to you nor he owes you or anyone an apology! Do you even understand the situation he’s in now? He’s a member of a fairly new group who happened to be close friend with a member of the most popular girl idol group in the country who got into a scandal because a tabloid reported said girl stayed over at his house! Everything would have ended quickly has the girl simply apologized or denied the incident and got the punishment her agency decided was appropriate (in this case demoting her to trainee level) but NO! She goes ahead and shaves her head, her agency uploads a video of her in her most vulnerable state asking her fans for forgiveness. Her fans go crazy and the story gets picked up by non-fans and international media, all of them sympathizing with the girl and supporting her through this hard time! Now I wonder who will get the most votes in the next election single! Who will be supported and has her name become known by fans and non-fans alike! Who the fans will increase the group’s sales just so they could support her and help her get promoted again! While Alan (the coward as you called him) will be known by the public as the guy Minegishi Minami of AKB48 slept with.

      Read the rest if you’re interested, tho I don’t think delusional fans will bother reading something they definitely know they won’t like: http://tumblr.straycat.me/post/42170936375/kawaisatan-what-happened-to-minegishi-minami

      BTW, there’s an interesting development: the girl attended a handshake event. She and her manager said very predictable stuff considering they succeeded to calm down their crazy fans.

  22. Wow, IATFB. I’m surprised with you in this post. You sound so ‘new’ in the idol world. I mean you own a blog about kpop/jpop idol yet you sound so surprised by how this world works.

    I probably one of the people who thinks ‘she sign up for this she should know what she gotten herself into’ although I agree her pusnishment was very brutal. Is she the least famous among those girls that why her agency ‘use’ her as the ‘example’?

    • Funny, I read that article as someone who is well familiar with how things work and is disgusted at everyones delusional need to either maintain it or look the other way when shit hits the fan.

      You’re surprised he decided to post something about it, I’m surprised more fans don’t post their outrage when things like this happen and I’m surprised they shrug it off since it happens all the time. Everyone has their lines drawn somewhere, even fans.

    • Did you even read his article above? I don’t think you did.

      Plus, the fact that this story made international headlines should prove to you that this wasn’t an “ordinary” event – even to people who follow this stuff regularly.

    • No, I’ve been familiar with it for like a decade now, which is why my disgust with it culminated in this.

  23. It’s disgusting how this whole thing got blown out of proportion and turned into this. I’m pretty sure no one aside from the fans and some Asian-related websites would’ve picked this up (aside from it being a RUMOR published by a tabloid) have the girl and her management dealt with this correctly and didn’t feed the crazy wotas’ fantasies.

    No, this is not normal. This is not the culture. This is not how the system works and we’re sure mad about it.

    AKB’s management is feeding the wota’s craze and encourages it by supporting the love ban rule and insisting that she apologizes and have her breakdown video uploaded for the wotas to see and join the slut-shaming (no one wants to see a girl in her most valuable state crying for forgiveness for something we’re not even sure it happened nor we have any business with.)

    And the lengths some AKB fans would go to just to justified that. Don’t they realize they’re damaging their group’s image and the whole industry in general? I understand wanting to defend the girl but defending the video, the people behind it and the reason why it was uploaded in the first place is just wrong… that’s not how you support your group.

    Putting that aside, I’m a big fan of your blog IATFB. Too bad I just thought to register now just to comment on this!

  24. That kind of mentality is why I think many in the idol fandom are fucked up. Writing fan-fic, going online and talking about an idol like you know them, foaming at the mouth whenever you see someone who even remotely looks like them, acting like/fantasizing an idol being your girlfriend/boyfriend/fapfriend, adding faux deep meaning to a meaningless bubblegum pop video, everything fans do that cause everyone else to laugh at them; I GET all that, I actually see nothing wrong in all that, it’s mostly harmless and they’ll probably grow out of most of it.

    But brushing aside something that humiliating and degrading because of a mentality of “hey, it happens all the time, messed up yes, no big deal though”, “she/he signed off on that, she/he should expect the consequences” or “that’s just how things are, you just don’t get it” is just fucked up. In my eyes shrugging your shoulders and brushing incidents like this aside because thats how the game works, is tantamount to complicity.

    When you think like that they’re just as complicit in the shaming, the degradation, and the humiliating as the company is. And to a degree I can understand the apathy, but when they try to shut up or derail people who are pissed/shocked and who decide to point out how fucked up things are, that I do not get. They’re signing off on it, they’re letting it happen, and they’re excusing it so it can happen again. They can talk about the company all they want, they’re just as much part of that fucked up machine as the company is.

    • I dunno. I gotta say that I understand fantasizing about stuff, especially when you’re in your teens and stuff, but man, a lot of them do shit that is truly cringe worthy.

  25. AJCommentator

    Looks like the apology video has been removed.

  26. tl;dr

    So… She’s not starring in the Japanese version of Les Mis?

  27. Seriously, how barbaric can these people be? She should have just done triple penetration with ginormous black men porn and put the 3 hour video on youtube. Would have been much better for herself, he fans, and the company.

  28. Preach it. She didn’t deserve this.

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