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Co-Ed‘s Kangho, who has basically had his career ruined due to online accusations of rape and bullying, which have since been taken back, had been cast in a movie, but netizens shut that shit down with their outrage.
Post about the popular webtoon ‘Secretly, Greatly’ being turned into a movie. Once the still cuts were released, netizens were “shocked” upon seeing Co-Ed’s Kangho as a member of the cast.
Once they found out, netizens launched a boycott against the movie online, saying they refuse to watch it if they keep Kangho’s casting.
Showbox responded to the boycott saying that they forwarded the concerns to the appropriate authorities.
‘MCMC Films’, the production company, later came out with an announcement basically saying that they have decided to edit out footage of the “problematic actor” out of the movie entirely.
1. [+70] Why can’t you say it loud and proud! I am Rapist Kangho
2. [+58] I think CCM seriously doesn’t give a crap about morals. But then again, their CEO has crap for brains… Pathetic how he got caught trying to stick this kid in a minor role and still managed to lose it.
3. [+53] Co-Ed rapist idols! It can’t even be that easy to find a bunch of rapists to put together a boy group with… What a brave attempt!
Think international netizens are better? Nope, feel free to check the comments at Omona They Didn’t, Tumblr, or Netizen Buzz for evidence that they’re arguably worse about this.
Seriously though, as you well know by now, I have no problem calling for alleged rapists to be investigated by the authorities, nor do I have issues with using physical evidence/their own words to call them pieces of shit. So don’t get this ridiculous fucking idea that I’m defending a rapist or abuser or whatever the fuck else people are flipping out about.
What I am defending against, and what I will never endorse, is witch hunts. I have literally no care for Co-Ed’s Kangho or that entire flop-ass group, but it’s fucking disturbing that blog posts accusing him of rape, ones that have since been taken back, have now literally made him a rapist in the eyes of the public.
Social justice commenters/bloggers see this as justice, I suppose, because it fits their agenda. However, what they fail to realize (as they generally do with everything) is that justice implies impartial judgment and rationality, not psychotic vendettas against patriarchy or “The Man” or whatever else. That’s not justice, that just makes it easier for their opponents to point at their evidence-deficient witch hunts as proof that they’re fine with condemning anybody based on nothing if it fits their world view.
I mean, seriously, he is treated as a convicted rapist because of ANONYMOUS BLOG POSTS ON THE FUCKING INTERNET.
I dunno about you, but I don’t feel comfortable with being labeled ANYTHING based on what somebody else writes about me behind a computer. That thought is fucking frightening to me.
Is he a fuckface? Is he an angel? I don’t know, because there’s no evidence either way, the authorities have not investigated him, and I don’t know him personally. How about that?
How about going with that attitude on any celebrity that we don’t know? Do you know them? No, so one can only judge them by their actions and words. Simple as that.
Jesus fuck.
I just asked my Magic 8-ball if Kangho was a rapist, and it said it was “Probably True”, so you should be thanking these witch hunters for keeping him out of the movie. Instead you should be blasting them for saying mean remarks about Glorious CEO KKS, because the Magic 8-ball said he is not to blame for anything, and is a really nice guy.
Don’t know if you trying to be sarcastic or not but I’ll leave this here if anybody agrees to this.
This reasoning is flawed because being a bastard does not give more or less probability to being a rapist. If you wanted scientifically to find correlation or cause between the two you’d have to do a bunch of tests with calculations which is out of the scope of expertise of most people.
Or you just ask a Magic 8-ball. Wow, some of you way over think how to find the truth.
Leave some emoticons for sarcasm, some people just can’t tell. faggot :D
My purer alien mind does not know how to con an emote.
How about not using that word? Thanks.
Good. I fucking hate idols in movies.
I’m so fucking sick of these Knetizen witch hunts. I can’t even.
Call me when Seungri gets caught jizzing on IU’s face or something fun.
Is that Kim Woobin in your ava??
Oh yes :)
One of my friends made a joke about him being a rapist the other day and it made me pretty super uncomfortable.
My favorite argument used as “evidence”:
“No one would go out of their way to be an anti-fan/make up a lie about a nugu group so it must be true!1!1!11″
Seriously?
Not saying he’s innocent because I don’t know or care about him but come on, only famous people have someone who hate them enough to make up rumours????
Rofl.
They must have forgotten all the antis BoA had when she debuted.
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It’s like we’re back in the Medieval ages where we crucify anyone that fits their fancy
Ahhhh, the good times.
The church sure knew how to throw a good party.
OMG I love you because thank god you of all people here on the internet has some damn sense! I swear women are the most illogical/emotional shitbags of all sexes. The third sex for the win!^^
And yeah, I was there on Omona when that shit first went down and got kicked out on the logical fallacy that someone was gonna commit suicide because I wasn’t agreeing with the rest of those dumb tits. Like you, I also don’t trust every accused guy accused of rape of being innocent but I saw the “evidence” and made my determination that the bitch was lying. To everyone else I’m victim blaming but how can I be blaming the victim when I’ve already determined that the person was not a victim in the first place?
And Netizenbuzz, a bunch of fucking morons! Everyone wants to believe the accusatory posting but no one wants to believe the apology posting…funny, right? Also, they DO have an agenda! Women want to be victims but yet they only like a certain type of victim. And no, men can’t be victims because they can’t be in a position of weakness because only women can fill that role! Just shows you how illogical their thinking is and how they constantly get “victimized” and “blamed” all the time, they allow themselves to be!
Meh, ranted a lot about this on my twitter. Called them bitches all sorts of names and them said I’d move on. But since you posted this like a boss, I guess it’s not quite over yet. Anyway, I’ll continue to defend Kangho against his she-beast accusers. He’s wasn’t even my bias in Co-ed and I still can’t remember that is name isn’t “Changjo” but this type of shit with people unreasonably placing these kinds of damaging labels on people makes me mad as hell.
Do you need a drink? Calm down. This is not the end of the world. And you should check your misogynous thoughts at the sign-in page.
As part of the female sex I especially have hate for the female gender because I know how exceptionally shitty they are. They are seriously horrible people. This subject is one of the reasons where we as human beings need the third gender more than ever now.
What are you going to do when people who self-describe as third gender inevitably act like idiots?
Relax. There are plenty of perfectly wonderful women in the world, and plenty of fucked up dudes too. Just get yourself a Magic 8-ball and stop over thinking everything.
Yes, there are obviously going to be stupid women because women are human and humans are stupid.
I don’t see your point though.
Nearly all the women that I’ve come across are like this shitty though, so I can’t really say that “women are smart” in the sense that I haven’t met a “smart” woman. But ya know, YMMV.
I’m scared to ask, but what do you define as “smart”?
What?
Hahahahhaa, I can’t. So are you suicidal because you have a vagina? Do you stuff your panties with socks so you can feel more like a dude?
I also don’t like certain type of people but they are found in both sexes. So: http://250kb.de/u/130220/g/qjRoe5Pacvu3.gif
(Isn’t he adorable? That little fucker)
You need help.
So…are you including yourself in this theory you’re going by?
Well, somebody had to bring the crazy, don’t mind if it’s you.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34859620.jpg
I missed the crazy for a while.
Robot just doesn’t live up to the expectations yet.
Judging by your reaction here, I can see why they lashed out at you.
Probably because you come off as unstable.
:o
Actually I was calm at one time. I would not have gotten like this if they were actually nice and respectful of my opinions :x However, at this point in time I don’t think that being nice or being mean gets me anywhere because it’s the opinion/reasonings that they hate and not my attitude, hur hur.
Well you’re not exactly helping the rational stance cause here.
:o
Holy shit. I don’t think you understand at all what was posted. Hint: it wasn’t calling all women dumb whores who make shit up for attention. You’ve got a serious problem.
There’s no problem actually. I know what I’m doing so I’m not the insane psychopath like IATFB thinks I am, huhuhu (IATFB: I know you were talking about my posts on Netizenbuzz in particular).
Being a completely different insane psychopath isn’t better by the way.
Oh, my GOD – I think this “aeis” is the one who started the rumour about that girl from RaNia (Jooyi, I think) sleeping with the producer (and is currently claiming said producer is cheating on Jooyi with Hyorin). I think you got kicked out for making shitty ass triggering comments over people being raped and how they “should” deal with it.
To be fair, I’m aware of situations with RaNia’s Jooyi.
First hand, actually.
First hand? Don’t tell me you’re that producer she slept with or something!
I didn’t do shit.
I just know stuff happened because I heard it directly from people involved.
That’s all. Don’t wanna start old shit.
I love this blog.
All the fuckheads who infect NB’s comments section (and there are many) need to read what you’ve written here.
I’m not crazy about idols in dramas/movies (I still can’t get over TOP’s ‘acting’ in Iris), but this guy needs a break. Netizens hate him based on what exactly? I can only hope that this ‘netizen boycott’ doesnt have much affect and that he won’t end up like Eunjung and the ‘Five Fingers’ fiasco.
The producers have already said that they’ll edit him out. It was on one of those articles, maybe NB? Netizen groundless hate wins again.
did he even given a chance to prove the claim is false? is there no “innocent until proven guilty” thing going on there?
There’s nothing to prove true or false.
Anybody could do the exact same thing to me and say I murdered somebody or whatever else, but how am I supposed to prove a negative? Lose-lose for him.
Like, how can you prove you didn’t rape somebody? There’s no evidence to give if nothing happened.
The person who wrote it supposedly retracted her statement, but that didn’t matter to netizens, so not much else they can do.
I heard she retracted it after CCM paid her to shut up about it. :-/ (Not sure how true that is, though.)
Anything is possible, but at the moment, if I were to ask you why I should treat him as a rapist, what exactly would you tell me?
There’s not much to go on.
Once labeled that label stay forever… It’s the society who made us like this. How many people who got their life ruin cause of false accusation ?
“innocent until proven guilty” ? Agree but it,s sadly doesn’t work like that anymore. Now it’s more you are guilty until your innocent is prove.
Did he really did it no one will never no.
Maybe that girl was just his ex-girl who got mad cause he broke up with her to be an idol and she decide to screw his whole carrier.
Maybe he actually did it, but CCM paid her your threaten her who knows….
Not a fan of non-actors/actresses in films and shows either, but I’m certain there’s plenty of things that they could be discussing about that actually makes an effect to our lives, other than an irreverent allegation from this stranger bitch they don’t know the hell if it happened or not. Like the Samsung factories releasing lethal gases into the air, Dokdo, or if Taemin have finally got enough money to get her dick clipped. http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8mxnNbr91rw7dhi.gif
You think I will be able to get his dick on ebay?
Doesn’t matter, can have sex… with a dead, cut off penis of prince Taemin…
Lakorn! I miss you! Where you at?
And where is Melo?! He deleted his Twitter?
Every comment I’ve ever read on this scandal has been universally super gross. From the people who were ready to hang the guy over what they read on the internet to the “Tee hee, I’d let him rape me!” …supporters, I guess?
The worst one I saw was “Even if he did rape her, it’s just a case of ‘boys will be boys’! ^_^” GAH.
This particular issue is one I’ve been struggling with lately. How do we as audience, public, and story-teller (and we do tell stories: whether they are the relentlessly positive ones stans spread, the relentlessly negative ones antis spread, or the salacious ones everyone spreads because gossip is! so! exciting!) react to someone who has had an accusation like this leveled against them? I’m thinking of Sean Penn, of Chris Brown as well as Kangho.
I remember reading blind items about Chris Brown’s physical abuse long before that night he sent Rihanna to the hospital. Back then was still a golden boy and I’m sure most people, like me, waved off the accusations. Now I wonder what would’ve happened if people had reacted in a different way. Or if Rihanna had accused him without the pictures of her face LAPD leaked. Domestic violence and rape cases are often reduced to simple he-said she-said. How do you navigate that? How do you navigate that when a society is so harsh that a woman being groped on stage by some asshole is the one being embarrassed? Is an anonymous accusation, even a recanted one, so unusual? But then again, is a rape accusation so unusual in the incredibly strange and extreme world of idol fandoms? I swear I read some accusation of some fan raping another every time two crazed fandoms go at it.
Rumor is devastating, uncontrollable, and unbeatable, and I highly doubt this kid will ever escape the label of rapist. If netizen opinion is wrong, then the unfairness of this situation is almost breathtaking. Only, I don’t know how we can combat that injustice without silencing weaker people who are telling the truth. Waiting to one day find out the whole story, or relying on a police report doesn’t solve anything because these things are often not reported or investigated. On the other hand, I can’t get behind being judge, jury, and executioner the way so many netizens (of every and any nationality) seem to enjoy. Slandering someone online is as potent as saying these things to their faces, and I believe that if I’m not willing do to the latter, I shouldn’t be engaging in the former.
So I’m left… struggling.
Hence the need to consult the Magic 8-ball.
The issue can be narrowed down to the fact that people are going to stalwartly believe whatever they choose to believe. The Chris Brown/ Rhianna beat-down is mostly relevant because *even* with that picture of Rhianna’s face out there, Jay-Z actually felt a need to speak up to defend her from the legions of people lining up to say she must have done or said something to make Brown hit her. In that case, people chose to believe Chris Brown wasn’t like that (like that = psycho). In Kangho’s case, people choose to believe “where there’s smoke there’s fire”, even if the smoke has been recanted.
I don’t struggle with it much.
Sure, you could wonder what we could have done if everybody jumped to conclusions in those cases, but what of the opposite scenario and the innocent lives ruined? Also, using that logic, you could say the same about any crime, could you not? Just take statistics and apply it to the population in order to profile them. I guarantee that would stop a lot more crime. Oh wait, no, that wouldn’t sit well with social justice people would it? Sounds too much like Big Brother and ethics violations, right? Well, same applies here.
There’s a reason most logical people require evidence to believe in something, because otherwise you’re just believing a person, and people are capable of making up ANYTHING. Look at the Manti Teo situation. People will dedicate their lives to deceit.
When people say that “the story’s so detailed it has to be true”, it makes me laugh, because give me a half hour and I can write a three page story on why you’re a bully or a rapist or anything I want to tell.
That’s sort of called being a writer.
Could he be a bad guy? Sure. Do I actually know anything about him? No. Am I going to use random blog posts on the Internet to judge him? No.
I would seriously ask the people who are skipping steps in the logical chain to question how they would feel if allkpop or somebody else used their platform to tell an outright lie about their personal life and how they would want people to consider that post.
What happens when there is no evidence beyond one person’s account? That’s often what it boils down to in cases of rape or domestic abuse. You say a logical person needs evidence to believe something, but that’s not a neutral stance. If all a victim has is their word and, according to you, their word isn’t worth anything then you leave them with no way to get justice.
I don’t entirely understand the connection you’re trying to draw between my comment and profiling. Profiling Chris Brown as an abuser and going around to his house every time a random woman is beat up somewhere is illogical. Being unsurprised when a new report about Chris Brown hitting his significant other is a different matter. If I’m misunderstanding your point, then help me out and explain a bit more.
I agree with your last point and I said above that I don’t like the witch hunt culture that is developing. Personally, I think the idea that the internet is not real life is so powerful that the average netizens truly doesn’t realize the gravity of what they’re doing. The teens on allkpop are just tossing off random comments before going about their lives. They’re safe and righteous as one of the faceless crowd but if you could call them to account individually, I don’t they would behave in the same way.
What happens? What do you mean? The same thing that happens when there’s no evidence in a murder case, which is why so many get away with it. Is that ideal? No, but what’s the alternative? Convict them based on word versus word? Assume everybody is guilty from the get-go? I’m not sure what the preferable alternative is here.
The standard for conviction is harsh, yes, but it’s that way for a reason, and it’s that way across the board for a reason. There’s a solid rationale for habeas corpus and due process, and it’s why even serial killers, war criminals, and terrorists get trials.
Public opinion takes less convincing obviously, and for me, it depends on the details, but in cases like Go Young Wook, the evidence I wanted is what he’s already admitted. Whether he gets convicted or not, he’s a piece of shit. And if people ask me why, I can clearly cite my reasoning to them. On the other hand, if I wanted to get up on my high horse about Kangho, what exactly would I cite that wouldn’t make me look like a fool?
“Uh … here’s a blog post on the Internet that was retracted by the person who wrote it when investigated.”
Others don’t agree with my standard, obviously, which is why users of OMTD and NB convicted him from the very start. All I’m gonna say is that I would find it interesting how willing they would be to jump to conclusions if it was their siblings or parents.
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Maybe I misunderstood the Chris Brown point. If you want to profile him as an abuser now, then obviously I’m all for it. It is his actual profile, since he’s a known abuser.
What I was saying is that if you’re accused of a crime, should you then be treated like shit because of the suspicion alone? Thus profiling you as whatever type of criminal, in lieu of actual evidence that you are one, to shine the spotlight on you in a public effort to make you change your ways or repent?
If people are okay with profiling without evidence for reason, then I can’t see that as ethical either. Each individual case varies, obviously, but in general terms, if you’re saying whether or not this incident makes me believe netizens should ruin his career as a “preventive measure” because of an accusation, then no, I don’t agree.
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Internationally, netizens matter less (though they are dumb as well) because news outlets don’t take them seriously and celebrities don’t take them seriously. I treat netizen comments from Asia seriously because the press cares and companies make decisions based on their delusions.
I stopped watching CNN finally when they kept just straight up reading tweets from random people on air.
I don’t think rape accusations should be routinely dismissed simply for a lack of physical evidence (within reason, this is not a simple black & white subject for the law) because if you’re at all familiar with the statistics of rape cases and unreported rape, it’s not like there’s an epidemic of false rape claims (against non-famous people) while there IS a vast amount of rape that gets covered up by the victim because it’s traumatic and stigmatized and a large portion of society (even women, see aeis’s comment above in this article even) that will immediately jump on the “all women are lying whores trying to ruin men” bandwagon at the slightest opportunity.
I agree with you strongly that the mob mentality of witch hunts is disgusting though, if the accuser takes back their accusation and there is no other evidence and the authorities aren’t interested in investigating either… maybe it’s time to stop trying to ruin the guy’s life.
I didn’t say they should be dismissed. They all should be investigated seriously.
I said they usually don’t convict (unless there are multiple accusers/multiple witnesses) without physical evidence for a reason.
Beyond a reasonable doubt.
By the way, both of those crimes tend to have physical evidence, the problem is the emotional trauma that makes them not want to come forward immediately while that evidence is still viable.
That should be encouraged and fostered, which is obviously not easy to do, but suggestions of watering down the standards of law makes the advocates themselves sound insane.
I was always talking about rumor and public opinion rather than standards for police investigations. Kangho isn’t being investigated by cops, he’s being tried in the court of public opinion. That’s the topic of our discussion right?
I mentioned Chris Brown because I have wondered, and maybe I’m fooling myself, that perhaps if he had realized that he was at imminent risk for losing everything, he would’ve behaved differently. Maybe if reporters had asked him questions based on the rumors then he would’ve been less likely to raise his hand. I was not arguing for pre-emptively arresting him.
In my original comment I brought up Sean Penn because, as far as I understand, he has never even been investigated although allegations of domestic abuse persist. Should I think of him as someone innocent, or should I regard him as someone who got away with it? You’re saying that we shouldn’t treat people suspected of crimes like shit because we could very possibly be hounding an innocent person. I’m asking how we should act towards the accused when in many DV and rape cases, accusations are as far as they go.
Sure, the court of public opinion, which is generally reactive and stupid … because it’s run by people. Sort of my point.
I think operating under the assumption that bad people are discouraged from committing crime due to risk of punishment is not true though. Even after the fact, Chris Brown continues to demonstrate violent behavior because that’s who he is.
For Sean Penn, did Madonna even say it herself? Seems like it’s just the media reporting it. I don’t like the guy anyway for other reasons, so I’d have no problem using it against him if I could, but no, I don’t see a reason to treat him like Chris Brown. That’s a false equivalency if I ever saw one.
Charlie Sheen, on the other hand, is a dipshit.
After researching some more, it seems like Sean Penn was in fact charged with felony domestic assault in 1988/89. I’m amazed that I had to dig for something that shocking about such famous people.
My search also led me to discover that Sean Penn recently had to take anger management classes after he assaulted a photographer and is still on probation. It seems to be theme in his life because he went to jail for 30 days in the 80s for assaulting a pap.
Yeah, I never heard it mentioned before. Guess I was too young to remember it.
Same as Charlie Sheen then.
i thought jesus never fuck. i mean, he died as a virgin, right? like his mom?
okay, that is soooo religion-ist…
back to this shit, that’s one of the downside of being a famous person. news speak good about you, nobody give a shit. unknown people speak bad about you, everyone thinks that the one who spread the words is your alter-ego who is trapped in your body and filled with guilt. it’s like korean re really into blaming other people for shit nobody really sure about, like what bush did to osama. where did that dude came from? never heard of him before…
that is one of the thing you need to learn before becoming an idol in that country; they will spread stuff about you so their bias could be successful.
I like how this went from rape accusations to misogyny.
In the post?
Talkin’ bout da comments yo!
LOL, and now Park Shi Hoo has apparently be indicted for raping a trainee. Guess what?
“1. [+1,475, -238] There’s nothing that has been confirmed as facts yet.. He’s a man that can barely drink two glasses of soju. I think it’s suspicious that this article is coming out right after his contract with his agency has ended… It seems obvious they want to drop his worth. “
Yeah, and that’s when the girl actually filed a sexual assault suit (and not some anonymous blog post)
That comment was the most fucked up one:
“3. [+1,079, -522] That young bi*ch probably enjoyed sleeping around with a handsome man like him but it looks like she also wants to make a bit of cash out of it now too.. What a scary world. But then again, no 22 year old is that innocent in this world anymore, especially if she’s a trainee on top of that. The law will obviously take her side ㅋㅋ”
What is this fuckery
It’s sad enough that 2 people in the world have that mindset, but seeing that each one of those comments has over 1k upvotes apiece is ridiculous.
All the comments were pretty sad, but that one definitely took the cake.
That person seriously needs to get slapped by a huge dinosaur dick that breaks his/her neck.
I’d be there to spit on the corpse.
Huzzah! Dino dick! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2172128/The-joy-T-Rex-How-dinosaurs-sex-tricky-weigh-tonnes-crucial-12-feet-long.html